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Old 04-23-2010, 10:43 PM
 
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I wonder how much it would take to raise Earth's mean temp up 20 F.
Then southern Ontario would be my kind of place.

Earth's annual mean = 59 F
Toronto's annual mean = 45 F (54/37 F high/low)

Hopefully, fossil fuel would do this:
Winter: roughly 28 F + 30 F warmer = 58 F
Summer: roughly 78 F + 10 F warmer = 88 F
I think if the Earth warmed up by that much.... it would be a major disaster. All the glaciers and polar ice would melt and the oceans would rise and flood everywhere. It would not be pretty.... not to mention 90% of species would probably be wiped out due to the inability to adapt to such drastic changes.

The best thing for all us warm weather lovers is to move from where we live to places where it NEVER snows
The Earth needs open borders at least among the developed nations that way everyone can get the climate that they want.
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:47 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Why?
I could then do what I want to outdoors on a regular basis,
instead of my year-round habit of watching the weather forecasts for the next big warm-up!

Besides,
all global warming models show southern Ontario would benefit from global temp increases;
increasing our length of growing season and allowing a wider variety of crops that can be grown.
Southern Ontario may benefit, but a lot of other places would be in major trouble!

Too bad there aren't any ice ages around the corner.
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:39 PM
 
Location: New York City
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I wonder how much it would take to raise Earth's mean temp up 20 F.
Then southern Ontario would be my kind of place.

Earth's annual mean = 59 F
Toronto's annual mean = 45 F (54/37 F high/low)

Hopefully, fossil fuel would do this:
Winter: roughly 28 F + 30 F warmer = 58 F
Summer: roughly 78 F + 10 F warmer = 88 F
Considering global mean temperature hardly ever changes, an increase by 20F would be a catastrophe. I read somewhere that during the last ice age (glacial maximum for you nerds) the Earth's annual mean was maybe 8F colder than it is now. That was when there was an ice sheet on top of NYC a mile high. During the Little Ice Age, it was about 1-2F colder. To be honest, I'm not sure how them come up with these numbers (I'm sure differently locations changed by very different levels) but in any case, 20F is a LOT for global temperature to change by.
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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I think if the Earth warmed up by that much.... it would be a major disaster. All the glaciers and polar ice would melt and the oceans would rise and flood everywhere. It would not be pretty.... not to mention 90% of species would probably be wiped out due to the inability to adapt to such drastic changes.

The best thing for all us warm weather lovers is to move from where we live to places where it NEVER snows
The Earth needs open borders at least among the developed nations that way everyone can get the climate that they want.
Yes, but southern Ontario would be fine:
- lowest elevation in southern Ontario something like 188 feet around Cornwall (Lake Ontario is like 289 ft)
- we already have 20-25% of the Earth's freshwater within our provincial borders
- Hudson Bay coastline may be low, but it's pretty much uninhabited broad tundra coastal plain anyways

What about warm weather lovers born Canadian, who might not qualify for immigration? I know many...
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Considering global mean temperature hardly ever changes, an increase by 20F would be a catastrophe. I read somewhere that during the last ice age (glacial maximum for you nerds) the Earth's annual mean was maybe 8F colder than it is now. That was when there was an ice sheet on top of NYC a mile high. During the Little Ice Age, it was about 1-2F colder. To be honest, I'm not sure how them come up with these numbers (I'm sure differently locations changed by very different levels) but in any case, 20F is a LOT for global temperature to change by.
I understand it would be a catastrophe on a world scale,
but my last post would explain why Ontario would be all right.

I was just having fun with the warm up,
but seriously though, an increase in annual temps as extreme as 5 F would still leave Toronto chilly.
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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Default ColCanadian's fossil fuel warm-up on other cities:

Vancouver
Winter: 43 F + 30 F = 73 F
Summer: 74 F + 10 = 84 F

Sounds like medium-alitude Mexico.
London, England would be similar.

Newark
Winter: 40 F + 30 F = 70 F
Summer: 85 F + 10 F = 95 F

Sounds like tropical savannah, temps like Canary Islands
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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Vancouver
Winter: 43 F + 30 F = 73 F
Summer: 74 F + 10 = 84 F

Sounds like medium-alitude Mexico.
London, England would be similar.

Newark
Winter: 40 F + 30 F = 70 F
Summer: 85 F + 10 F = 95 F

Sounds like tropical savannah, temps like Canary Islands

Yeah definitely like the sound of those warmed up Vancouver temperatures...

I didn't think Canary Islands were that warm in the summer

but imagine adding those temperatures to somewhere like Djibouti

Djibouti
Winter: 78F + 30F = 108F
Summer: 96F + 10F = 106F
Record Low: 59F + 30F = 89F
Record High: 117F + 10F = 127F


Sounds like a virtual hell on Earth for me even being a heat lover
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Yeah definitely like the sound of those warmed up Vancouver temperatures...

I didn't think Canary Islands were that warm in the summer

but imagine adding those temperatures to somewhere like Djibouti

Djibouti
Winter: 78F + 30F = 108F
Summer: 96F + 10F = 106F
Record Low: 59F + 30F = 89F
Record High: 117F + 10F = 127F


Sounds like a virtual hell on Earth for me even being a heat lover
Well a 20 F warm-up year round would make for a bizarre climate in Toronto; 48 F in winter and 98 F in summer.
^^ I could handle 48 F winters and 98 F summers, but I though less seasonal temps would be a nice touch.

More realistically, I would expect 25 F warmer winters and 15 F warmer summers with a 20 F rise in Earth's mean,
making Toronto 53 F in winter and 93 F in summer. (like Memphis TN?)

A 30 F warmer winter and 10 F warmer summer would be very bizarre,
but the most enjoyable version of warm-up for people living in cold 4 season climates.

If you wanted to raise Toronto's records 30 F in winter we could hit high 80's F,
and if our summer records were raised 10 F we could hit about 110-114 F.
(quite tolerable imho)

Virtual hell on earth for you as a heat lover?
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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yeah I think averaging 42C (108F) in the middle of winter is quite a lot... so that means you could have over 50C (120F) temps year round.... I think that would stress many plants out.... there is too much evapotranspiration year round. It would look like a scorching hot Atacama... virtually lifeless.....I would not like such a climate mainly for that reason....
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: New York
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Vancouver
Winter: 43 F + 30 F = 73 F
Summer: 74 F + 10 = 84 F

Sounds like medium-alitude Mexico.
London, England would be similar.

Newark
Winter: 40 F + 30 F = 70 F
Summer: 85 F + 10 F = 95 F


Sounds like tropical savannah, temps like Canary Islands
I'd love that over the current averages.
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