Gay Rights in West Virginia (Hinton: transfer, to buy, bankrupt)

[GottaHerdOn]

That they are likely closeted or repressed gays themselves..

Just look at Hitler... He was obviously a homophobe executing thousands of gays during the Holocaust and it is known he actually had same sex relationships... In addition to his cousin Ava. Ewwww

[Hinton Bound]

Originally Posted by GottaHerdOn

That they are likely closeted or repressed gays themselves..

Just look at Hitler... He was obviously a homophobe executing thousands of gays during the Holocaust and it is known he actually had same sex relationships... In addition to his cousin Ava. Ewwww

Where did you read that, the National Enquirer? I'd love to know the source of your information.

[r601020]

Originally Posted by Hinton Bound

Where did you read that, the National Enquirer? I'd love to know the source of your information.

It's hearsay.

Fact :
"The pink triangle was originally used to denote homosexual men as a Nazi concentration camp badge."
LGBT symbols - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I had always presumed Michelangelo (artist) was gay, but those assumptions were based on hearsay. Most likely he was bi-polar, but homosexual? Prove it.

[Hinton Bound]

^^ Bi-polar, or bi-sexual?

This story sums up my feelings on the gay issue pretty well. PETER HITCHENS: We show tolerance to 'gays' and get tyranny in return | Mail Online

Appropriate to have gays and nazi's in the same thread .

[GottaHerdOn]

Hinton, no offense but you haven't shown much tolerance to my being gay, all I really can say I've experienced from you is opposition and coldness. So I really wouldn't put you in the "tolerance" category. I don't expect a party or a parade or a day in my honor just because I'm gay, just to be treated with compassion and equality as a human being. But ha ha haa ha ha ha YEAH RIGHT!

That article is nothing more than continuation of the same shi* storm I've been facing my whole life. You can imagine that gets pretty old, pretty fast. Anyone with a modern brain and decipher that.

It is appropriate to have gays and Nazi's in the same thread because gays were executed for being gay... which still happens in some Middle Eastern countries to this day legally. It also continues to happen in the United States each year. Wanna ask my mother about it? She's constantly worried she's going to get a phone call one day because some bigot wants to prove something.

What kind of messages do you really want to send to people? When have I ever detailed about what goes on in my bedroom? No more than you have about yours or anyone else for that matter. If anything it’s the other way around, straight couples constantly all over each other in public, personal displays of affection gross me out no matter who is doing it. But if gays would try that they'd be yelled and screamed at or have things thrown at them. Where the tide is changing though, we are yelling and throwing back.

You really should get to know some gay people, maybe you'd find out all the gay stereotypes you learned about in middle school aren't true, and before you say you know gay people. Your neighbors' cousins' daughter that you met once doesn't count.

Have a great day!

[Hinton Bound]

I think I have shown tolerance many times! I've said several times that I have no concern over who or what consenting adults do. The problem I have is that it is thrust in my face for me to accept. I don't accept same sex sex. I don't. I don't condemn those who do. My point is that a guy marching in a parade with a leather thong and leash, jabbing his rainbow flag in my face forces the issue on me. I don't agree that a gay life is worth more than a hetero life (hate crime laws"). You seek to include yourself in society by force, it doesn't work. It just creats resentment. Stop supporting radical gays and you'd be better off

FWIW, I have spent a lot of time in gay meccas (work related, mind you!). Provincetown (P-town) in Cape Cod, Key West, and Pensacola (Gay Riviera). I never once had a problem. I ate dinner with them, drank beer, and just shot the s*it. I worked with a gay guy for 3 years (yep, in the military). Never a problem.

Have more to say, but damn, I stink at typing. Too laborious.

~Mark

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

I'm of the opinion that a business owner should have full discretion in who he hires, fires, promotes, etc, with his reasons being his own. If you don't like how a company works, you're welcome to go start your own or find one that you agree with.

While understanding your feelings, the FACT is, there are laws, Federal and/or State laws that prohibit someone from being discriminated against on a number of various factors - including race, religion, sexual preference, sex, age etc.

If you want to run a business, you will have to comply with these laws.

[millersangel]

Originally Posted by Hinton Bound

I think I have shown tolerance many times! I've said several times that I have no concern over who or what consenting adults do. The problem I have is that it is thrust in my face for me to accept. I don't accept same sex sex. I don't. I don't condemn those who do. My point is that a guy marching in a parade with a leather thong and leash, jabbing his rainbow flag in my face forces the issue on me. I don't agree that a gay life is worth more than a hetero life (hate crime laws"). You seek to include yourself in society by force, it doesn't work. It just creats resentment. Stop supporting radical gays and you'd be better off

FWIW, I have spent a lot of time in gay meccas (work related, mind you!). Provincetown (P-town) in Cape Cod, Key West, and Pensacola (Gay Riviera). I never once had a problem. I ate dinner with them, drank beer, and just shot the s*it. I worked with a gay guy for 3 years (yep, in the military). Never a problem.

Have more to say, but damn, I stink at typing. Too laborious.

~Mark

I doubt you realize how condescending that sounds. It's like saying "I have a black friend."

How about this for in your face? I will never forget this crime.This is exerpted from wikipedia.

Matthew Wayne Shepard was a student at the University of Wyoming who was tortured and subsequently murdered near Laramie because he was gay. He was attacked on the night of October 6–October 7, 1998 and died at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado, on October 12, from severe head injuries.

Shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998, 21-year-old Shepard met McKinney and Henderson in a bar. McKinney and Henderson offered Shepard a ride in their car. Subsequently, Shepard was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote, rural area, and left to die. McKinney and Henderson also found out his address and intended to rob his home. Still tied to the fence, Shepard was discovered eighteen hours later by Aaron Kreifels, who at first thought that Shepard was a scarecrow. At the time of discovery, Shepard was still alive, but in a coma.

Shepard suffered a fracture from the back of his head to the front of his right ear. He had severe brain stem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature and other vital signs. There were also about a dozen small lacerations around his head, face and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. As he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.

He was pronounced dead at 12:53 A.M. on October 12, 1998 at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins Police arrested McKinney and Henderson shortly thereafter, finding the bloody gun as well as the victim's shoes and wallet in their truck.

The two men had attempted to get their girlfriends to provide alibis

In court the defendants used varying rationales to defend their actions. They attempted to use the "gay panic defense", arguing that they were driven to temporary insanity by alleged sexual advances by Shepard. At another point they stated that they had only wanted to rob Shepard and never intended to kill him.

The prosecutor in the case charged that McKinney and Henderson pretended to be gay in order to gain Shepard's trust to rob him. During the trial, Chastity Pasley and Kristen Price (the pair's then-girlfriends) testified under oath that Henderson and McKinney both plotted beforehand to rob a gay man. McKinney and Henderson then went to the Fireside Lounge and selected Shepard as their target. McKinney alleged that Shepard asked them for a ride home. After befriending him, they took him to a remote area of Laramie where they robbed him, beat him severely (media reports often contained the graphic account of the pistol whipping and his smashed skull), and tied him to a fence with a rope from McKinney's truck. Shepard begged for his life. Both girlfriends also testified that neither McKinney nor Henderson were under the influence of drugs at the time

And this is the part that really got to me and is why this I will never forget this.

The beating was so severe that the only areas on Shepard's face that were not covered in blood were those where his tears had washed the blood stains away

And since you don't like having other viewpoints thrust upon you how about these?

The anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, led by Fred Phelps, picketed Shepard's funeral as well as the trial of his assailants displaying signs with slogans such as "Matt Shepard rots in Hell", "AIDS Kills Fags Dead" and "God Hates Fags".When the Wyoming Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to display any sort of religious message on city property if it was legal for Casper's Ten Commandments display to remain, Phelps attempted and failed to gain city permits in Cheyenne and Casper to build a monument "of marble or granite 5 or 6 feet (1.8 m) in height on which will be a bronze plaque bearing Shepard's picture and the words: "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22

Still think GHO is overstating his case?

[Hinton Bound]

Originally Posted by millersangel

I doubt you realize how condescending that sounds. It's like saying "I have a black friend."
How about this for in your face? I will never forget this crime.This is exerpted from wikipedia.
And this is the part that really got to me and is why this I will never forget this. And since you don't like having other viewpoints thrust upon you how about these?Still think GHO is overstating his case?

Were you trying to make a point? If so, you did a poor job.

So a gay kid was killed. People are killed every day. Black kids, white kids, Asian kids, more types than I can type here. Why do their deaths not stick in your mind? Are you so indoctrinated by the gay mafia that only a gay death is worthy of your memory? How about all the straight people that have died of AIDS? How about Ryan White? Remember him? He was a straight white kid, so I doubt you would... AIDS came from the gay communtiy, spread by a gay Canadian flight attendant. But I bet you forgot that, the millions that died BEACUASE of gays.
Get a grip, stop drinking the kool-aide.

[harborlady]

Jimminy cricket Great day, you take a wrong turn in Albuquerque or something? Welcome to wild and wonderful WV. We're open for biz but look out for bigfoot.

There's another side to the unwritten law ohiouber wants to abide. The company who runs arbitrary to official laws lose business & genuine talent because of their own attitudes towards people as well. Business owners are wise to realize that even employees are their customers. I think in some ways these things ultimately balance out. Supporting political agendas via business is an incredibly high tax burden to voluntarily support.

Hinton and R, GHO's perception of hostility aren't all in his head. It's in your language. When I see him equated with incest or child molesters... and now he's responsible for an entire disease category??? Sorry. That's plain wrong and having to read it in a post you've authored is very disappointing. Here's why.

When it all comes down to dust, inalienable rights & freedom for some but not all is good enough when y'all are stuck on this.

The female majority ought to prohibit standing up while peeing because it only makes a mess & it's bad for your prostrate anyway. We need to abolish football because it isn't effeminate enough for our majority's sensibilities to tolerate. Nattering on and on for weeks on radio & TV impeding the normal flow of civilization. Having these WVU logos in my face everywhere on T shirts, bumper stickers, coffee mugs, silly flags on car antennas and area rugs clashing with the decor! How hideous!

OR, we could just let people be whomever they are without subjugating them to a separate set of rules for insurance, hospital visitation, legal unions etc etc. Those bumper sticker advertisements in my face have no bearing on who I am so maybe I should just get over myself being angry over nothing. Who I marry has nothing to do with who your wife married or what your relationship is about.

Millers I think similar to black folks decades ago, when people heard equal rights they imagined they were obliged to invite everyone for dinner. Blacks and whites aren't obliged to be best buddies by writ, or sit down for donuts or go bowling together on a saturday and call it obligatory race relations. Just recognize that there's a human being, and an american citizen, behind the face you can't necessarily get along with/ understand in your lifetime. Gays are listening to the exact same arguments now, sometimes from black folks themselves!

Blacks in california, reportedly by a large margin, voted against same sex unions. I find that incredibly ironic they can't see a failure to honor / support any citizens rights in USA is a decay of their own. That any majority should be voting on the rights of a minority is wrong, but seeing that outcome really made me take pause and wonder how entrenched homophobia is in the black community.

Not saying you're responsible for them, just pointing out that black & white male heteros have some peculiar thing going on in their head that I'm not sure I'll ever understand. Captain cave man stuff somewhere far far away from the part of their brains that allows them to talk about it. No one has been able to explain it logically to me. Judging by their reaction you'd think by 'allowing' gays to exist without grief we were telling them they had to try out a 'gay lifestyle' for themselves.

I believe gays themselves would be against that notion. My guess is they'd take it the way women would when a man is careless with their feelings, using them. Cruel and disrespectful. What I've heard gays would prefer having little to do with hetero males when it comes to their personal lives. I think GHO even said as much in this thread.