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Old 12-08-2007, 09:47 AM
Location: Currently in Elkins, moving to Northern Panhandle
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On my search for housing in Wheeling, I have also been warned to not buy or rent on the Wheeling Island. (even though I have found some fantastic homes at reasonable prices- perhaps that is the reason why??) The Island has the reputation of being high crime, due to the gambling casinos. Also the flooding. I have also been warned to stay away from the downtown areas, especially the streets in the "teens" due to gang activity and crime.

It always looks like there are plenty of "low end" jobs, with help wanted signs in all the stores, and convience stops.

My problem is simply finding housing for a family with pets. My husband lives there and works there, has a nice apartment, but pets are only welcome there on visits.

Anyone have any ideas for a pet owner in Wheeling? We would rather buy than rent, but we also have another home that we own elsewhere that we don't really want to get rid of at this time.
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Old 12-08-2007, 07:44 PM
Location: Elkins, WV
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Originally Posted by jfronz View Post
Im not trying to prove anybody wrong but I am having a hard time understanding how there could be a high demand for teachers in the Wheeling area with the regional population decline over the past thirty years. Add in the fact that teachers can drive ten minutes to PA and make about $10,000 more. Are a lot of teachers currently hitting retirement age or is there some other underlying factor I'm missing.
Well, thats half the problem. Because teachers can drive into the other state and make 10,000 more. Also the current teachers in the schools are generally older and are starting to retire now. Leave lots of vacancies to fill. WV Board of Ed. is realizing the problem of 4,000 something possible empty seats in the state next year, and are possibly going to raise the sallary up to 35,000 minimum for 1st year teachers with a bachelors degree. In some specializations, Chemistry, Math, and foreign languages they are even going to offer debt repayment, and for current teachers who would like to get certified in Chemistry, Math, and foreign languages. Its not a Wheeling problem, it is a state of WV problem
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:14 PM
Location: Arlington, VA
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that is a lot of empty teaching seats, I had no idea the problem was that severe, although I wouldn't doubt it. despite the fact that it has been more than five years since I was last in the West Virginia public school system (product of Kanawha County Schools),the majority of my teachers at the time were of retirement age and CONSTANTLY talking about it.
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:48 AM
Location: Elkins, WV
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I'm a product of Randolph County Schools..and its been 3 years since I was in high school, and I agree my teachers were mostly all older and they had just started retiring
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:24 AM
Location: somewhere on the map
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and special ed has really suffered for the parents and students..OMG we need teachers it's just i haven't seen anything inticing for young fresh ideas to come here..especially where i live.................and homeschooling is OUT of the question for so many of our ""special'' parents...................i hate our school system in WV..that's been one of the biggest downfall to our move from fla..I lost alot of GREAT services..and now he has graduated and facing more issues with the ''special'' adult.................
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Old 12-11-2007, 07:13 AM
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I grew up in Wheeling and moved away when I graduated, the jobs there are starting to pick up but I think it is really run down, especially where I am from N. whg, there is alot of eye sores standing. Entertainment may get better when the Highlands goes in, but before that not much to do ice skating, movies, shop, hockey team...
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:35 PM
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Default Do you really want to hear this?...........

Look, I am not here to bash Wheeling but the original question was one regarding Wheeling's BAD issues. Since no one else has been forthcoming, perhaps I should weigh in here and help a stranger out.

Wheeling Downsides

1. Wheeling is in West Virginia, 49th in economic activity, and near the bottom in median age, obesity rates, percentage of smokers, illiteracy rates, out of wedlock birth rates, mortality rates, educational attainment and per capita income. The state continues to vote in Democrats at all levels, despite decades of corruption and incompetence. Also, most local issues and taxes are not controlled by the citizens; they are controlled from the state capitol in Charleston.

2. Wheeling is unfriendly to business (again, this has to do with West Virginia in general). Strong unions, out of control lawsuits, poor infastructure, lack of an educated workforce, high taxes and ridiculous regulation have combined to keep economic development at a minimum. When a city trumpets 50 word processing jobs, 75 telemarketing jobs and 200 fast food/retail jobs as "growth", it's time to look elsewhere.

3. Most of the wealth in Wheeling belongs to old families and some lawyers. They have been rich for 100 years and see no need for anything to change. They have theirs and have no interest in you getting yours. Change and development are scary words for these people.

4. Certain elected officials have spent tens of thousands of dollars getting themselves elected to low paying "public service" jobs. Why, you ask? Perhaps it has something to do with steering federal and state grant money, and economic development funds, to properties and/or entities controlled by the officials and/or their friends.

5. Crime is swept under the rug. The paper runs stories about murders. The next year, the crime reports say "safest city in America" and "what murders?" It's like '1984' there. They assume you don't read a paper or, if you do, that you don't remember what you read. I assume that, for a crime to be listed as a 'murder' in Wheeling, the perp and the victim had to be strangers, the perp had to be arrested, tried & convicted of first degree murder, and start serving his time, before it is classified as murder. After a decade or so, I'm sure the "murder" will be reclassed as "manslaughter".

6. Overpriced housing. Sure housing is cheap compared to New York or LA but you get what you pay for. They tore down the housing projects where they used to segregate the criminal element and other undesirables. Then they moved these people all over town, into nice neighborhoods. I was in an Alltell store with a pregnant Alltell employee waiting on me. A group of 8 or 9 of these young kids came in and started running around the store, picking things up, etc. The mouthed off the the woman and refused to leave. Why should decent citizens have to stand by and take abuse? There is no economy and little control over crime. If you don't need high paying employment and if you believe in the necessity of arming yourself, by all means, move to Wheeling.

Wheeling has good points as well. Relatively inexpensive, reliable utilities. The greatest park in the nation (Oglebay). Easy navigation (due to lack of jobs and people). Decent schools (for West Virginia). Very good private schools (Wheeling Central Catholic, Mt. De Chantal, Linsley). Things move at a slower pace than Pittsburgh or Columbus. Pittsburgh is just over an hour away. New retail at the Highlands is nice. Wheeling Hospital is decent but it is no UPMC. In short, there a positives and negatives. You should have both sides before deciding on a move.
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:54 PM
Location: Wheeling, WV
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Default Wheeling might leave you bored and broke, but it's NOT dangerous.

I have to weigh in on a few of these statements, because many of them are completley false (I've lived in Wheeling my entire life aside from the 4 years I went to college and currently). The previous poster discussed "believing in arming yourself". Unless you're walking around Wheeling island or East Wheeling alone at night around 3am you have nothing to worry about. This is not the Hill District of nearby Pittsburgh. This is definitely NOT Detroit, Baltimore, or Memphis. It's not even Youngstown,Ohio or Gary,Indiana. In fact, Wheeling was named one of the 20 safest metro areas in America recently ( http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#METRO - 19th ). So unless you're looking for it, don't expect to find a lot of ridiculous crime activity. Children running around a store? THATS the worst crime example I've heard on this forum or any forum in Wheeling. People in many cities WISH that was their worst experience. Anyway, you wanted to know the BAD about the friendly city. I'll give you one big one - finding a good paying, solid job. All of my friends who graduated from great schools who wanted to stay close to home are being forced to move to Columbus,ect. to find good work because Cabela's or a coal mine was their most consistent option. There is a bit of a lack of things to do as well. There are a few decent restaurants and bars, but a lot of that depends on your personality. Nailers games are fun, but again, that depends on your interests. The park is great. Plain and simple, there is no better place to raise a family than Wheeling, West Virginia because of it's safety, easy going lifestyle and friendly people throughout. But if you're looking for a happening place where you can find good work without finding a diamond in the rough or having a good one beforehand, you might be bored or disappointed.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:36 PM
Location: Soon to be WV
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I'm not a WV resident yet, but soon will be once the bank finalizes the loan, but I agree with Steelers Fan, there is something to be said about WV and the family. I've been all over the States and overseas, and the idea of small town values is still there.

I've heard many complaints across the country about towns, opportunies, businesses etc....and its the same most places. A good many people look at places and compare them to cosmopolitan cities. WV is not cosmopolitan and probably won't be for quite some time.

True, jobs pay more elsewhere, but there is so much more then just a paycheck...quality of life, community, location, etc....I'm not sure how you could quantify those quantities. Crime exists everywhere, as do good people and good jobs.

Sure, there are not a lot of high paying jobs in the state, but doesn't mean they are there, and the opportunities for entrepeneurship are there too....but many people don't have the desire to do something for themselves but count on easy jobs, or hand-outs. I'd rather get paid substantially less there and have a lower cost of living and a good community, then getting paid $76K and have a $6K a month mortage.

Again, Nick is right, you have to weigh the options yourself....
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Old 12-27-2007, 04:45 PM
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Default Well.....


With respect to SteelersFan's comments regarding crime, I challenge anyone to prove to me that the Wheeling PD does NOT juke their stats. Shootings are not common and murders are not common. However, they DO happen. Yet, when you read the FBI crime reports based on information submitted to the FBI by the city, there are either 0 or 1 murders reported. There is quite a bit of drug dealing. This year, there have been numerous articles in the paper about residents in East Wheeling not talking to police due to intimidation from drug dealers. If residents don't report crime or if they refuse to testify, does that mean that crimes don't occur?

Wheeling is a good place for a family, but homes are overly expensive when you consider the area and the lack of jobs. Many people lack family values. Most people vote Democrat. The city, which refused to consider the opinions of Ohio County in the past, now wants to try and force a merger. The County has the new shopping development and most new housing. Certain public officials are corrupt and hold office to enrich themselves through ecomomic development, etc. Gambling has brought nothing to the area, except more crime and broken families. West Virginians have voted in former KKK leader Robert Byrd for 50 years. He has stolen billions in tax dollars for West Virginia and West Virginia is STILL 49th in economic activity and near the bottom in per capita income! The city is now going to buy back properties for millions of dollars in order to tear down the buildings and create space that they think will attract business. Because, as we all know, businesses choose their locations based on available lots and not on union influence, political corruption, ridiculous taxation, out of control lawsuits and lack of a large, educated workforce.

West Virginia's governor, Joe Manchin, ordered all signs at West Virginia's borders to read "Open For Business". Yet, West Virginia is one of the worst places in the world to do business. West Virginia is so hostile to economic development and it almost seems that West Virginia is determined to drive away creative or talented people.

I could go on and on. I personally like the Wheeling area. But you asked for the whole picture. It is only fair to point out positives and negatives. Finally, Wheeling's population listing on this site is incorrect. The city actually has less than 29,000 people. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.......
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