News, W. Virginia considers hunter training in schools. (Charleston, Hinton: house, neighborhoods)

[John1960]

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A significant drop in the number of hunters in West Virginia has left a hole in the state's budget, and one lawmaker thinks he has a solution: Allow children to receive hunter training in school.

W. Virginia considers hunter training in schools | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

[David Kennedy]

Moving well through the lidasslayshure, I hear...
National Rifle Association is helping it through. What a joke they are...I ran for the house in 1988 and 1990...couldn't get their endorsement because I replied NO to question #2 of their form...Which pretained to fully automatic weapons...I thought if a person owned a machine gun, it should be registered somewhere...they did not share the same opinion.
I thought they were a legitimate organization until then. Later asked them to never call me or send me any paper again.

I'm thinking about that nut in that high school with the AK-47..(finest assualt weapon in the world for $5.00)...worked very well doing its job and it was registered...don't see many deer hunters out in the woods with AK's though...
With the new class cirriculum encompassing hunter safety, we will not have that problem..."with a magazine and 20 rounds, lock and load."
Can't we teach English Composition, History, Math or how to secure a job? Those would be new subjects too.

[NOVAmtneer82]

Originally Posted by David Kennedy

Moving well through the lidasslayshure, I hear...
National Rifle Association is helping it through. What a joke they are...I ran for the house in 1988 and 1990...couldn't get their endorsement because I replied NO to question #2 of their form...Which pretained to fully automatic weapons...I thought if a person owned a machine gun, it should be registered somewhere...they did not share the same opinion.
I thought they were a legitimate organization until then. Later asked them to never call me or send me any paper again.

I'm thinking about that nut in that high school with the AK-47..(finest assualt weapon in the world for $5.00)...worked very well doing its job and it was registered...don't see many deer hunters out in the woods with AK's though...
With the new class cirriculum encompassing hunter safety, we will not have that problem..."with a magazine and 20 rounds, lock and load."
Can't we teach English Composition, History, Math or how to secure a job? Those would be new subjects too.

I agree, I think West Virginia schools would be better off focusing their efforts on improving dismal test scores in core subjects such as English, History, Math, Science, etc...

[Hinton Bound]

Originally Posted by jfronz

I agree, I think West Virginia schools would be better off focusing their efforts on improving dismal test scores in core subjects such as English, History, Math, Science, etc...

WV? How about the rest of the country!? I see young kids in the military that are functionally illiterate. I see Officers, college graduates, that can't form a coherent sentence.

As I stated before- The teacher/school is one part of the equation, the parents need to be involved in their children’s education too.

An interesting statistic from The Bell Curve pointed out how Asian kids scored well ahead of Black and Latinos from the same poor neighborhoods. The difference was parental involvement. We could solve just about all of our social problems if more people could grasp that concept.

[harborlady]

Originally Posted by Hinton Bound

WV? How about the rest of the country!? I see young kids in the military that are functionally illiterate. I see Officers, college graduates, that can't form a coherent sentence.

As I stated before- The teacher/school is one part of the equation, the parents need to be involved in their children’s education too.

An interesting statistic from The Bell Curve pointed out how Asian kids scored well ahead of Black and Latinos from the same poor neighborhoods. The difference was parental involvement. We could solve just about all of our social problems if more people could grasp that concept.

Parental involvement is useful when they believe education will level the playing field. When they believe otherwise, they undermine whatever a teacher can bring to the table.
I think WV low test scores have more to do with parents teaching- this is our lot in life, might as well plan on working at McD's for 50 yrs. That in effect robs the esteem of impressionable young people by inherited cynicism.

No amount of money spent on education could teach the unwilling, but for those who are willing, their greatest handicap shouldn't be their caregivers. When they choose to leave WV's cynicism, the cynics don't claim responsibility for anything. Too busy pointing fingers outward to be responsible for much of anything at all.

[David Kennedy]

Harborlady:

Our tradition is to educate our best and help them get out to better areas of the country to live.
Our out-migrations occured in 1930...1950...1960...1970...1985...(75 yrs of out-migration)

Our best and brightest have decided to not waste a generation of time waiting for the pie in the sky.

The problem now with America is the sameness...the auto industry is defunct...California is filled with the Mexicans...and Florida is filled with Cubans and Hatians...the real apathy is the fact that no region of opportuntiy exists to go to...Charlotte/Raleigh possibly being the exception...DC is always good.

The young are not coming to Wv...its the old ex-patriots returning to their homesites and getting ready for the grave.
We have nothing for the young.

[harborlady]

Originally Posted by David Kennedy

Harborlady:

Our tradition is to educate our best and help them get out to better areas of the country to live.
Our out-migrations occured in 1930...1950...1960...1970...1985...(75 yrs of out-migration)

Our best and brightest have decided to not waste a generation of time waiting for the pie in the sky.

The problem now with America is the sameness...the auto industry is defunct...California is filled with the Mexicans...and Florida is filled with Cubans and Hatians...the real apathy is the fact that no region of opportuntiy exists to go to...Charlotte/Raleigh possibly being the exception...DC is always good.

The young are not coming to Wv...its the old ex-patriots returning to their homesites and getting ready for the grave.
We have nothing for the young.

DK
Census trend for WV is now a gain, not loss. Best and brightest get their chance to check out greener grass.

Migratory patterns overall:
I think america is finally being forced to grow up. Historically, when things got to be a mess, people tended to pick up and leave. Easy when we had wide open spaces of wilderness, or one boom after another leading them on. Comes the day when the whole of a nation realizes their own borders by running out of roads, then have to head inward again & deal with the craters they dug looking for gold. (Dust bowl, industrial pollution, ad infinitum).

Funny yet sad, last bush election saw a huge push of americans trying to become canadian citizens. Retiring to costa rica, mexico, anywhere else...

I don't see this sameness as a problem. Centralized commerce and industry creates a beast of another stripe. It's the evolution of deal with what you've got where you are. Buddhists are taught that, and our american culture needs to learn from them. The paradigm of shortsightedness we've lived by ultimately costs more than it pays.

[GottaHerdOn]

I don't see how this is a good idea. Instead of shooting the helpless animals.. I see students now knowing how to shoot their friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, teachers and parents, or the latest trend just going to the mall to kill people. I don't think this is a good idea

[harborlady]

Originally Posted by GottaHerdOn

I don't see how this is a good idea. Instead of shooting the helpless animals.. I see students now knowing how to shoot their friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, teachers and parents, or the latest trend just going to the mall to kill people. I don't think this is a good idea

Gotta- not everyone is vegan, and truly helpless animals AKA meat are in every supermarket. Hunters wanting real sport go for the game that isn't helpless.

Nintendo & action films already taught kids how to shoot. Nintendo doesn't teach when it's inappropriate, the value of life, or how to be responsible. Parental territory, but we're all at the mercy when they fail. Fair? No.

There is no other delivery method more effective than schools to teach kids, but its a political distraction from their purpose when a school has to deal with parental rights and/or school is overburdened teaching kids values. I have no answers to offer other than a citizenship class being brought back into schools the way it was in the 50's wouldn't kill anyone.

Adults wanting to dedicate the intense supervision required to teach the sport in an extracurricular environment- I wouldn't argue their existence if they were volunteering the same way boy/girlscout leaders do and kept parents actively involved.

Too bad NRA doesn't get with the program. No way unrestricted firearms is electable. Right to bear arms is a serious responsibility, and some citizens just don't have that capacity anymore than they're qualified to drive a car or pay a bill. Some weaponry is inappropriate no matter what venue they claim, and if they don't let that go, only the responsible folks will lose.