environmentalists and coal can work it out? (college, wage)

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by harborlady

The mindset was already explained to you in my post. I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding why you're in this thread or in this forum when all I see offered by yourself is sarcasm for a very real economic conundrum WV has been in for over a century. What is your purpose?

I apologize if I came across the wrong way. I was not trying to be sarcastic at all.
I think this thread is very informative and educational for those that might not know everything about coal and the energy industry.
We will be hearing a lot more about energy with President elect Obama taking control in January.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by David Kennedy

The capitalist economy and social awakening that China has begun will take 40 years to level out...coal is dirty and they have No real laws in place to clean up the air...

Do you remember the recent Olympics?

Instead of cleaning up coal it's cheaper and much more profitable to send it overseas...let the smoke and ash drift over the pacific and coat Oregon and Washington...

That gives us jobs and a solid economy in Wv....

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Good points. It simply is amazing how the absolute growth of China's economy over the past several decades has impacted the growth in energy demand there.
By the way, in percentage terms how big of a coal export market does WV do with overseas markets?

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by David Kennedy

If business had any ethical concious thought they would be stopping the aparthied in Africa and saving those millions of innocents...as it stands now, let them die and take the real estate later...

We are saving the whales because its Whale Season...We should be saving the Africans...they are actual people.

This is a great idea in theory, but it has not worked out to well for the US in recent times. This was part of Cold War related disputes in the 1980s involving anti-communist and communist forces. Thankfully, apartheid was phased out of S. Africa in the early 1990s.
One example would be Angola:
"Jonas Malheiro Savimbi (August 3, 1934–February 22, 2002) led UNITA, an anti-Communist rebel group that fought against the MPLA in the Angolan Civil War until his death in a clash with Government troops in 2002.
With support from the governments of the United States, the People's Republic of China, South Africa, Israel, several African leaders (Félix Houphouët-Boigny of Côte d'Ivoire, Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire, King Hassan II of Morocco and Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia), and foreign mercenaries from Portugal, Israel, South Africa, and France,Savimbi spent much of his life battling Angola's Marxist-inspired government, which was supported by weapons and military advisers from the Soviet Union, Cuba, and Nicaragua (under the Sandinistas). The war ultimately became one of the most prominent Third World conflicts of the Cold War."

We might have thought it was a great idea to back this group, but the resulting conflicts between the sides left Angola with a severely crippled infrastructure, and remained one of the poorest countries in sub-Saharan Africa into the 1990s in terms of GDP.

A conservative source:
The Bush administration betrays freedom fighters in Angola
It is not a surprise that the neocon Howard Phillips is involved. I won't really discuss him further.

[David Kennedy]

The Chinese are looking at the entire area of Africa as a colony...and will develop it...the test for the Capitalist System of Goods and Recovery was Singapore...Malaysia did leaps with/from zero in about 40 years.

Other than India, China will have no other competition...We are not even in the running.
Population drives these forces and these markets...
Creating Wealth for the peasants has brought them from the Water Buffalo to the Automobile instantly...since Viet Nam...Some old die-hard killers had to die (Like Mao) to begin the progression...

As the Capitalist nations sink into Socialism and Communism to control their aging people...the others, our former enemys will embrace our old market system and raise their countries up to prosperity...

We are seeing a reversal of sorts...

I've always been impressed with Singapore...certainly the most magnificient city in the world...bad rep?
Has no tolerance for dope or immorality...that keeps a lot of westerners out who guage everything by the crap of society in Amsterdam...

[GraniteStater]

The S. African government is also looking to develop a huge hydroelectric energy project on the Congo River that could supply 200,000 MW of power across a big region. The project very costly, and I have not heard of an update regarding it since 2005. This is project does get completed I would except econ development to obviously expand in some areas.

[David Kennedy]

I hope they are more sucessful than the Chinese with their huge dam...

[Zea mays]

Originally Posted by harborlady

Depriving WV of hope and guaranteeing their exclusion from America's potential economy in the future is your point?

No. I have no grudge against WV. It is a very pretty state. I simply think that coal has no future in our energy plans.

[adam36]

I work on the surface of an active longwall operation. Though it would appear that this type of mining is eco-friendly, it destroys so many sources of fresh water. The coal mine that I work at has experienced greater than 50% loss of groundwater (post-mining vs premining stream data). I'm not terribly pushy about saving the environment, but I don't think that our coal-powered electricity is worth the loss of many natural streams and rivers.

[vec101]

Originally Posted by Zea mays

No. I have no grudge against WV. It is a very pretty state. I simply think that coal has no future in our energy plans.

If you don't have a grudge against WV then don't come on this site making statements like you have in other posts. Do you even realize how offense your statements have been?

[vec101]

Wow, Here is an odd surprise.

Disused for more than 30 years, a Dutch mine that once yielded polluting coal has been revived as a source of greener energy -- heating household radiators using warm water flooding its abandoned shafts.
Claimed by its originators to be the world's first such energy generator, the "Mine Water Project" in the south-western Limburg province went into operation last month, heating some 350 homes and businesses in a newly built neighbourhood in Heerlen.
It emits 55 percent less polluting carbon dioxide than other water heating systems.

West Virginia Coal Association - Dutch Homes get Warm Water from Disused Coal Mine