West Virginia University VS Marshall University

[CTMountaineer]

Originally Posted by tbailey1138

Yep, Interior Design is a major. It's what my wife got her degree in. It's more of a mix of Interior Decorating and Architecture. They don't merely decorate, they can do floor layouts, electrical layouts, etc. WVU has the full degree program while MU only has an associates degree.

And CT, take it easy on me? You do realize that WVU Pharm was backing up what I said, right? Morgantown has a lot of great offerings no doubt, but it's not to the level of Charleston and Huntington. Those cities draw from a larger area and population base because they don't have to compete with a city as big and as close as Pittsburgh. You tried to use links to the numbers of shows in Morgantown to prove your point. I provided links showing Huntington had more events listed so then that didn't count since it didn't support your side of the debate. Then I provide a link from the US CENSUS DATA showing that Huntington had more arts and entertainment venues but that didn't count either because it didn't support your opinion like you thought it would. Apparently, your opinion has more weight than facts and stats from the US Census. Maybe you need to call them and set them straight as to the proper numbers and the new boundaries that they should set up in the state.

And it is sooo easy to promote Huntington, especially when you have so many things to offer like Huntington does. The city needs to do a better job promoting itself but with some recent changes that were made, that is coming shortly. Also, nice try with the typical "I lost the debate so I'll just resort to put downs" mentality of someone who can't admit when they are wrong. But you must have some sort of special talent if you can hit a target with blanks, even 1/150 tries. That's something!

Bailey, ... you're back! I thought you were bowing out of the discussion.

Census says Cabell has 10 more venues, but you realize they are counting karaokie and biker bars in their statistics, don't you? Monongalia has venues of real substance, and higher quality ones. I know you honestly believe that the Huntington Symphony is on a par with the Pittsburgh Symphony, but I assure you that you are one of maybe five people in the whole world who believes that.

But here is something more to the point. Marshall is desparate for students. They have painted themselves in a corner with a series of incredibly stupid moves on the part of their administration and now are faced with huge rent payments for decades to come. Kopp, et.al. seriously misread market conditions and customer characteristics, and mortgaged the ranch believing he could create demand with the bogus "investments" and ponzi scheme. Alfred E. Newmann and the rest of the idiots on the Marshall Board of Governors fully backed him up with these blunders. They were warned by several that these moves were unwise, but failed to heed warnings. Now, Marshall, and to a degree the State, are stuck with the resulting mess.

Enrollment has declined for the fifth year in a row at Marshall. Kopp and Co. are now faced with enormous costs due to their misjudgements, and have fewer students paying tuition to pay these costs. In a move reminiscent of Fannie Mae ponzi schemes, they decided they could raise the capital by dropping tuition. This, they reasoned, would cause thousands of students who couldn't otherwise pay tuition from five states surrounding West Virginia to move to Huntington and enroll in the school. Well, guess what? It didn't work. Instead of the great influx of people Kopp had predicted, enrollment fell nearly another 3% this year. Not only did they get fewer students, but now the out-of-state students are paying less tuition. Everyone from anywhere in the world who has a grandmother who attended Marshall was given a tuition discount.

Kopp and Co. went crying to the Legislature, where a fellow idiot and Wayne County Senator who happens to be in charge of appropriations managed to convince other delagates that Marshall needed a huge infusion of State funds just to stay afloat. They rolled their eyes, of course, but threw Marshall a 9% raise in appropriations, 50% more than any other institution received in the State. Kopp's moves were so hideous that even that was not enough to right the ship. So now he is embarking on his latest crusade of lunacy. Kopp has declaired open war on West Virginia State University and West Virginia University in Kanawha County. You can just imagine how many friends Marshall will be making with this blunder, but read for yourself about the plans: http://www.dailymail.com/News/2008121202 The beat goes on unabated in Huntington.

If I were the President of WV State, I would call the WVU President and suggest the two institutions go together and open a branch in Wayne County. State could offer undergraduate courses and The University could offer a miriad of graduate programs. That approach would certainly make sense.

[tbailey1138]

You're right CT, making education more affordable is just plane stupid. How dare MU make getting a degree more affordable for someone, especially people who live right across the river! And how dare they add new facilities like dorms and rec centers in such a way that the state doesn't have to pay for it. It's just ridiculous!

If you read the articles about MU's enrollment, you would have seen that it was the increase in students taking advantage of the discounted metro rate that lessened the enrollment losses (I also pointed this out to you before). It's the decrease in the number of students from WV that has hurt them the most. WV is producing fewer college aged kids so they have to look elsewhere. And MU already has a presence in the Kanawha Valley with their graduate facility so this is nothing new. Expanding offerings at a current facility makes sense. Sorry you don't agree with it. If other institutions wanted to open more branches here, more power to them. It would certainly make more opportunity and create some new jobs along with looking better on many of the census trackers that look at educational opportunities in an area.

And Huntington doesn't have any bars solely dedicated to karaoke or bikers. Sorry. There is a Karaoke place in Morgantown if you are looking for such a place though. It's called Karaoke and More and it's right off the Mile Ground. Here's the link for you Karaoke Speakers, Systems, Music, Parties Supplies & More You can believe there aren't higher quality places here if you want, but this has been proven wrong as well. There's nothing in the state that matches the splender of the Keith Albee. I also never said that the Huntington Symphony was better than the one in Pittsburgh. Last time I checked though, the Pittsburgh Symphony was based in Pittsburgh, not Morgantown. The Huntington Symphony however is based in Huntington. Maybe Morgantown can get one of their own in the future too (I say this in all seriousness).

[CTMountaineer]

Originally Posted by tbailey1138

You're right CT, making education more affordable is just plane stupid. How dare MU make getting a degree more affordable for someone, especially people who live right across the river! And how dare they add new facilities like dorms and rec centers in such a way that the state doesn't have to pay for it. It's just ridiculous!

If you read the articles about MU's enrollment, you would have seen that it was the increase in students taking advantage of the discounted metro rate that lessened the enrollment losses (I also pointed this out to you before). It's the decrease in the number of students from WV that has hurt them the most. WV is producing fewer college aged kids so they have to look elsewhere. And MU already has a presence in the Kanawha Valley with their graduate facility so this is nothing new. Expanding offerings at a current facility makes sense. Sorry you don't agree with it. If other institutions wanted to open more branches here, more power to them. It would certainly make more opportunity and create some new jobs along with looking better on many of the census trackers that look at educational opportunities in an area.

And Huntington doesn't have any bars solely dedicated to karaoke or bikers. Sorry. There is a Karaoke place in Morgantown if you are looking for such a place though. It's called Karaoke and More and it's right off the Mile Ground. Here's the link for you Karaoke Speakers, Systems, Music, Parties Supplies & More You can believe there aren't higher quality places here if you want, but this has been proven wrong as well. There's nothing in the state that matches the splender of the Keith Albee. I also never said that the Huntington Symphony was better than the one in Pittsburgh. Last time I checked though, the Pittsburgh Symphony was based in Pittsburgh, not Morgantown. The Huntington Symphony however is based in Huntington. Maybe Morgantown can get one of their own in the future too (I say this in all seriousness).

Please, ... Marshall is planning to go into direct competition with WV State and WVU Tech by offering UNDERGRADUATE courses in Charleston. That is akin to other state supported schools going in Marshall's back yard and competiting for the decreasing student pool to which you referred. The other schools will be furious, and the repurcussions substantial for Marshall. Kopp is an idiot, period! And, where is the logic to making education "more affordable", as you put it, by decreasing tuition when you can't pay the bills with higher tuition, especially when most of the discounts are directed toward students who pay no West Virginia taxes, and the State of West Virginia ends up subsidizing their tuition with taxpayer money just to try to minimize Marshall's student losses. And, those tuition discounts no longer just apply to anyone in another state within 100 miles of Huntington. They stretch all the way to Philadelphia, the Chesapeake Bay, Virginia Beach, and Louisville in addition to Bombay if someone there has an ancestor who went to Marshall. It is beyond rediculous.

And, Marshall does have plenty of bars who offer "entertainment" in the form of karaokie. They count the topless strip bar too. Think not? Go ahead and name even 2/3 of the so-called 42 entertainment "venues" in Huntington. That is totally bogus. They'd count the Bada Bing if it were located there.

By the way, the WVU Symphony is easily the equal to the kinds of small town orchestras we have in West Virginia. It is comprised of instructors, doctoral students, and top flight students at the school. Who do you think plays in Huntington's orchestra? The name means nothing. It is the availability and quality that matter.

[GottaHerdOn]

I'm really getting sick of this.

So here is my piece.

CTMountaineer, you are constantly attacking everything about Huntington or Marshall on the simple basis that they not Morgantown or WVU. I think anyone who reads these threads know you have a special place in your heart for Morgantown. Wonderful! Now let the rest of us who prefer our other towns or places of higher education be proud of where we live or go/went to school without being in constant defense mode.

Tim has more patience than I do and I commend him on taking up for Huntington and Marshall (Where I obviously go to school.) If you are a true West Virginian and Mountaineer you would let this drop already and respect that just because you may love Morgantown, maybe someone else doesn't, and you'd hope for the betterment of all of WV and not get so immersed in comparing Morgantown to the rest of the cities in the state. The state is called West Virginia, not Morgantown.

[hrhf]

Originally Posted by CTMountaineer

Please, ... Marshall is planning to go into direct competition with WV State and WVU Tech by offering UNDERGRADUATE courses in Charleston. That is akin to other state supported schools going in Marshall's back yard and competiting for the decreasing student pool to which you referred. The other schools will be furious, and the repurcussions substantial for Marshall. Kopp is an idiot, period! And, where is the logic to making education "more affordable", as you put it, by decreasing tuition when you can't pay the bills with higher tuition, especially when most of the discounts are directed toward students who pay no West Virginia taxes, and the State of West Virginia ends up subsidizing their tuition with taxpayer money just to try to minimize Marshall's student losses. And, those tuition discounts no longer just apply to anyone in another state within 100 miles of Huntington. They stretch all the way to Philadelphia, the Chesapeake Bay, Virginia Beach, and Louisville in addition to Bombay if someone there has an ancestor who went to Marshall. It is beyond rediculous.

And, Marshall does have plenty of bars who offer "entertainment" in the form of karaokie. They count the topless strip bar too. Think not? Go ahead and name even 2/3 of the so-called 42 entertainment "venues" in Huntington. That is totally bogus. They'd count the Bada Bing if it were located there.

By the way, the WVU Symphony is easily the equal to the kinds of small town orchestras we have in West Virginia. It is comprised of instructors, doctoral students, and top flight students at the school. Who do you think plays in Huntington's orchestra? The name means nothing. It is the availability and quality that matter.

competiting???

repurcussions???

rediculous????

karaokie????

Behold, the power of a WVU education.

WVU: Degrees printed while you wait!

[CTMountaineer]

Originally Posted by GottaHerdOn

I'm really getting sick of this.

So here is my piece.

CTMountaineer, you are constantly attacking everything about Huntington or Marshall on the simple basis that they not Morgantown or WVU. I think anyone who reads these threads know you have a special place in your heart for Morgantown. Wonderful! Now let the rest of us who prefer our other towns or places of higher education be proud of where we live or go/went to school without being in constant defense mode.

Tim has more patience than I do and I commend him on taking up for Huntington and Marshall (Where I obviously go to school.) If you are a true West Virginian and Mountaineer you would let this drop already and respect that just because you may love Morgantown, maybe someone else doesn't, and you'd hope for the betterment of all of WV and not get so immersed in comparing Morgantown to the rest of the cities in the state. The state is called West Virginia, not Morgantown.

What Marshall is doing is disgraceful! You can cheer it on if you wish, but for them to make an effort to use state subsidys to compete directly with other state supported schools is the most stupid in a long line of stupid decisions by Marshall administrators and board members. The State needs to pull the plug on the whole mess. It is Marshall that needs to remember there are other schools in the State. It is not all about Marshall.

[CTMountaineer]

Originally Posted by hrhf

competiting???

repurcussions???

rediculous????

karaokie????

Behold, the power of a WVU education.

WVU: Degrees printed while you wait!

Actually, I have a Marshall degree, and I am heartily ashamed of the way my alma mater is behaving. The fact that you aren't says a lot more about the quality of my fellow grads. It's the old "we can't get students on our own volition, so lets go to another state schools back yard and try to steal them with cheap tuition. It is incredible.

Also, if you want to critizice the Manchin degree, you should direct it where it belongs... to the Governor's office. Do you honestly think it would have been one bit different if he were applying pressure to Marshall? The way they do things they probably would have gift wrapped one for him and thrown in an extra besides.