Wind Power

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by David Kennedy

Buzz123 the new coal fired generators produce NO SMOKE...ALL particulate matter is collected on stack scrubber screens and is hauled away or used in 'Green Energy projects. What is seen is a white steam cloud as the particulate matter is cooled by water.

Well then, I guess the Paiute Indians up north of Las Vegas about 20 miles are complaining about steam getting in their eyes from the two coal-fired plants near the reservation. What I've seen coming out of those plants, and the Navajo plant in Arizona is smoke AND steam. The environmentalists aren't complaining about steam David.

[vec101]

Don't know what is going on in LV area but here in WV there are stringent regulations. Feds and the world are always looking to WV and getting on our rears. (Gotta stick up for all the hard working miners.) How about giving the Feds a call and sic them on the plants there.

[David Kennedy]

Buzz: The federal pollution mandates on these scrubber systems are strange...as I am told, they do not have to be used 24 hrs a day...isn't that crazy...they are burned through the day time and shut off at night...My neighbor operates one of these power plants...she told me this...it's like 12 hrs on and 12 hrs off...needless to say the plants here in Wv scrubb the smoke 24 hrs a day and produce very clean air...they should show white cooling steam and NO smoke...NO smoke. I agree with Vec...call the Feds and see what's going on...no wonder the enviro's are socking this power generation in the eye...It really does work...

[snorpus]

Another factor is that there are different regs for new plants vs retrofitting existing plants. Plus the regs are tighter in areas like the Northeast vs the Southwest. It all depends on how much needs to be done to achieve the "Clean Air Act" acceptable levels.

[David Kennedy]

It's about the Subsidies...the money was taken from the farmers (Archer, Daniels-Midland) and given to the energy companies...erco: Bio-fuels, aka: Archer, Daniels-Midland....now the money is in wind energy...and guess who the money trail leads to...the gas companies...Did T-bone Pickens ever say he was in the gas business too?
If you have oil...you have a waste product...gas...

This entire program is set up to give the 'Same Ole, Good Old Boy's the new cash...wonder if Cheney and GW hold any of that stock...Cheney doesn't need to because Halliburton is drilling half of the wells...Schlumberger doing the other half...who owns them?

The american public is the dumbest group of suckers on the earth...the Dems yell Bush! Bush and the money is going into Jay Rockefellers pocket...was worth 200 million 20 years ago...think that stock has risen at all...must be one of the ten most wealthy people in the USA by now...all because of the republican economic policies of the past 8 years...who is kidding whom? get real...

[riceme]

Originally Posted by David Kennedy

GHO:

With the vast amounts of deer in Wv...and the liability cost to the insurance companies...State Farm, Allstate and the others are putting their agents into the woods this fall for a gigantic deer drive. The drive will begin at Parkersburg and end on the top of the mountains east of Thomas. The insurance compainies are hoping that the windmill props will kill several million deer similar to the carnage now done to eagles, Canada Geese and the like.

Many Charleston lawmakers are coming to Caanan for the worlds largest venision fry and antler boil...
The date hasn't been announced, but it's supposed to co-inside with the buzzard migration out of Ohio...

A DNR spokesman indicated that with the 'Insurance Deer Drive' the state would not need to poision the deer by helicopter...as has been alledged in the past...

I've worked in the wind industry for almost eight years, and we get the bad rap for a lot of stupid stuff. This post made me laugh so hard I almost fell off the couch. I got stitches in my side.

Thank you for the entertainment!

[David Kennedy]

Glad someone saw that one...we try..

[riceme]

Hey, seriously. We have been accused of killing off the ground-wildlife populations, including deer. This is an absurd assertation, in the extreme, as your post pointed out. But, nevertheless, they continue to say it over and over again.

My mom worked in the industry for many years until she retired last June. She worked in anemometry, so she climbed met towers all day, every day... She was in the field, in our wind farms, so aside from those pesky scientists who say otherwise, I've got her (and dozens of friends) to witness the falseness of these sort of claims.

My hometown was the birthplace of the wind turbine manufacturing industry in the Americas, and for many, many years we were on the map for having more wind turbines in the area than anyone else (some big projects in Texas and soforth have recently bumped us down on that map). Tehachapi is alive with wildlife... Birds, deer, antelope, coyote :-[, bobcat, raccoon, etc. The animals I just named are seen in our windfarms on a regular basis (the beautiful antelope are everyone's favorite). The only dead wildlife my mom (or any of my other friends who work in the field) has ever seen at a wind farm is a dead coyote. Not bambi, not big bird, not Rocky Raccoon... Just a coyote, and hell, chances are the landowner shot the coyote.

There are some great quick facts posted at AWEA regarding wind turbines and wildlife, pointing out that tall buildings, vehicles, power lines,... all sorts of other things in our modern world are bigger bird killers (by FAR) than wind turbines. I can't seem to find that link right now, but here's a cool article on the wildlife lessons that have been learned by the wind industry, with particular respect to the changes that have been made because of the Altamont site.

http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/...Fact_Sheet.pdf

I probably have the other bird article on my hard drive if I can't find it on AWEA's page... Will give another look.

Cheers.

[David Kennedy]

Straight from the gib...I would have a wind turbine for my own private use...we do not have enough wind to make it work efficiently...and I favor them on a large scale to offset power loss ...and usage...

We have only the one mountain range in our state...to destroy its beauty is a sacrilege..
We can generate power wisely...this is neither wise or prudent...To put it in a vernacular: We are 'trailer trashing our mountains...leveling them for the minerals will be next...