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11-11-2008, 12:33 AM
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We all need to remember something - after 9-11 the American people were crying for revenge and war on Iraq.
Remember watching the war on Grenada on TV - that war was the first "televised live on TV' war (and first war after Vietnam). I'll never forget my hubby watching TV and yelling at me that we were at war and it was being broadcast live (I believe on CNN). We sat there in stunned silence, shock, (horror?), - I can't quite describe our feelings. Just couldn't believe what we were watching. It was horrific but could not look away - I remember staying up about all night that first night and for days just being glued to the TV. (That war lasted what - 3 days?) CNN had constant coverage of that war. Younger people can't quite understand what we felt because this type of similar coverage is more common for them. For us, this was a first.
Then, on 9-11, remember watching TV and all the major news networks suddenly announced a plane had hit the WTC building and switched cameras to it. Then we watched the other plane hit and for an instant, we doubted what we had seen because surely it was a rerun of the earlier crash - it couldn't happen again. We watched live the falling of the towers and were horrified to think of the people we were watching die. We heard of the plane hitting the Pentagon and the plane crashing in Pa. I remember the bewilderment, confusion, and myriad of other feeling. I remember calling everyone I knew - somewhat scared and tiny bit of a panic. What was going on? Were we going to have an invasion and war on our own lands?
Then came the anger. I despise war and did not want it. But I remember the American people crying for revenge and war (or was that just the media telling us that was what the people wanted).
Did the televised war in Grenada make us think we could just get our revenge and it too would be over in a matter of days? The people of the Middle East have been fighting since the days of Christ, have they not? Why would we think the conflict would be over in a short time?
Bush was hailed as a hero when he sent troops overseas -- it was what the people wanted. I'm not saying he couldn't or shouldn't have done something to get our troops out of there... but we can't lay all the blame for the war on him.
Whew, sorry - will get off my soapbox.
Gotta,
Think of all the $$ that was spent on the Presidential Election campaign. (And I am not picking on one party over the other). That $$ sure could have helped out our economy.
Hinton Bound,
Thumbs up to "It wasn't Bush acting alone the last 8 years".
DK,
"would not be hampered by eco-freaks" - boy, that's a constant battle. I'd have more respect for the eco-freaks if they truly practiced what they preached and lived without electric, gasoline, etc.
We all want clean air, a beautiful and safe environment, etc. - but we have to do it in such a way as to not destroy our economy, capitalism, and people's right to earn decent wages.
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11-11-2008, 12:51 AM
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Please excuse my emotional state tonight. My nephew is being deployed in two months to Afghanastan. And I'm a bit angry! I don't have television. Haven't had it since the late 90's. I do follow the news though. And I'm really confused! I'm singing John Lennon songs tonight...hoping it will get me through. That, and deap breathing.
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11-11-2008, 01:00 AM
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Prayers to you and your nephew.
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11-11-2008, 01:11 AM
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Prayers to you and your nephew.
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Thanks Vec. I didn't mean to hijick the thread. But he's young...only 21 this July. What does he know about our history? But he's excited about going. what for? He can't tell me. But he's all psyched up about going. What is wrong with our country when our young people can't tell us what they are fighting for? I just don't get it.
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11-11-2008, 06:05 AM
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Please excuse my emotional state tonight. My nephew is being deployed in two months to Afghanastan. And I'm a bit angry! I don't have television. Haven't had it since the late 90's. I do follow the news though. And I'm really confused! I'm singing John Lennon songs tonight...hoping it will get me through. That, and deap breathing.
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Don't be angry. Your nephew will experience things (good and bad), that will define his life. He will be a far better human being once he sees what real poverty is, once he sees the tradgedy of children with nothing. It is then that he will see evil is not in the masses of people, but in the governments that dictate their direction.
As I prepare to retire after 22 years of service, I can't help but be appreciative for what the military has given me. Some things I wish I could forget, but for the most part it was woth the cost.
Lack of a TV is a good thing! I wish more people would turn it off and see that life is passing them by as they sit and watch someone elses life. I just returned from my place in WV; no TV, no computer, no radio- just quiet solitude. It feels great to be free. Even if only in my mind.
Pass my best regards to your nephew.
Si vis pacem, para bellum,
Mark
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11-11-2008, 06:21 AM
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We did our part in a war that was lost by our politicians...and a Viet Cong General said in his memoirs last year that one more week of bombing would have meant their surrender...and Viet Nam would be a thriving country instead of losing a generation to tyranny...and Yes, boys and girls, millions of unknown innocents were killed because they aided us in that unpopular war...
To get back to the subject...those Marines were my brothers and still are...we phone, e-mail and get together in the summers...we have got each other thru most of the emotional baggage that comes with those events...
Your nephew is involved in a bonding experience that will guide his life...it's trial by ordeal...It has been practiced in many cultures through the centuries...Give him that gift...it will be the test of his life and he will do it with those of his kind...
He will gain a plateau from the experience...a plateau of being 'always faithful...to family, friends, country and most of all to himself...our prayers are for his safety.
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11-11-2008, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by vec101
We all need to remember something - after 9-11 the American people were crying for revenge and war on Iraq.
Remember watching the war on Grenada on TV - that war was the first "televised live on TV' war (and first war after Vietnam). I'll never forget my hubby watching TV and yelling at me that we were at war and it was being broadcast live (I believe on CNN). We sat there in stunned silence, shock, (horror?), - I can't quite describe our feelings. Just couldn't believe what we were watching. It was horrific but could not look away - I remember staying up about all night that first night and for days just being glued to the TV. (That war lasted what - 3 days?) CNN had constant coverage of that war. Younger people can't quite understand what we felt because this type of similar coverage is more common for them. For us, this was a first.
Then, on 9-11, remember watching TV and all the major news networks suddenly announced a plane had hit the WTC building and switched cameras to it. Then we watched the other plane hit and for an instant, we doubted what we had seen because surely it was a rerun of the earlier crash - it couldn't happen again. We watched live the falling of the towers and were horrified to think of the people we were watching die. We heard of the plane hitting the Pentagon and the plane crashing in Pa. I remember the bewilderment, confusion, and myriad of other feeling. I remember calling everyone I knew - somewhat scared and tiny bit of a panic. What was going on? Were we going to have an invasion and war on our own lands?
Then came the anger. I despise war and did not want it. But I remember the American people crying for revenge and war (or was that just the media telling us that was what the people wanted).
Did the televised war in Grenada make us think we could just get our revenge and it too would be over in a matter of days? The people of the Middle East have been fighting since the days of Christ, have they not? Why would we think the conflict would be over in a short time?
Bush was hailed as a hero when he sent troops overseas -- it was what the people wanted. I'm not saying he couldn't or shouldn't have done something to get our troops out of there... but we can't lay all the blame for the war on him.
Whew, sorry - will get off my soapbox.
Gotta,
Think of all the $$ that was spent on the Presidential Election campaign. (And I am not picking on one party over the other). That $$ sure could have helped out our economy.
Hinton Bound,
Thumbs up to "It wasn't Bush acting alone the last 8 years".
DK,
"would not be hampered by eco-freaks" - boy, that's a constant battle. I'd have more respect for the eco-freaks if they truly practiced what they preached and lived without electric, gasoline, etc.
We all want clean air, a beautiful and safe environment, etc. - but we have to do it in such a way as to not destroy our economy, capitalism, and people's right to earn decent wages.
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I agree 100%!!!! Those millions of dollars thrown into advertising, etc could have been better used somewhere else. But I bet the companies that did the fliers, buttons, pins, teeshirts, etc sure were happy... ha ha 
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11-11-2008, 07:24 PM
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Can the Obama campaigner's collect unemployment compensation because they did not get paid??
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11-11-2008, 08:15 PM
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Surely, you jest? Do you really think the republicans OR demorcats are conservative with our money? Remember Herd, the Congress and Senate are, and were, controlled by Democrats, they control the money. If they were really concerned, they could have voted "NO" to appropriating funds to the war.
If you think the President has those types of control, it's time to review your Constitution. It wasn't Bush acting alone the last 8 years, don't forget that.
War is big money, and politicians are getting wealthy making us believe they are interested in ending it. There will always be another "crisis" that requires us to crank up the war machine. Keep paying you taxes... and keep believing it will be different under Obama.
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Thank God! Someone other than me finally said it!! Bush didnt create this environment by himself!!
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11-12-2008, 10:46 AM
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