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11-18-2008, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kookamus
Just another attempt by the commies to destroy our economy and way of life.
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do you know what communism is |
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11-18-2008, 09:06 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: un peu près de Chicago
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Originally Posted by GraniteStater
Cap and Share will likely never happen. Like I said it is one of the many theories out there.
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Cap and trade is gathering steam in Europe. From today's BBC: UK to auction carbon permits |
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11-21-2008, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by David Kennedy
Projected cost for a subsdivision of 100 homes? About $250.00 per year...per home.
States are racing to set in place regulations to prevent it from happening...keeping the existing utilities in power with the status quo...taxation and high cost drivers would be eliminated...
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Same resistance happened when a guy is suffolk cty long island built a windmill to generate electric and LILCO freaked out about it- dragged him to court half dozen times. Sponsored legislation claiming it interfered with airplanes (electric company concerned with aviation? don't telephone poles and electric lines do the same at that elevation????).
Endgame= LILCO bought their legislation then went broke over numerous debacles adding into negative digits. The guy with the grandfathered in windmill got legislation approved for NET metering and gets a check from the new electric company Keyspan.
Keyspan decided to go about things by encouraging nat gas consumption, price spiked, residents who bought into the deal revolted- they changed their tack. Now they offer energy credits to businesses who reduce consumption during peak demand and petition residents to have offshore windmills for electric or some mystery gas plant in long island sound with an explosive capacity to knock connecticut off the continental shelf.
So long as the market stays cornered, they'll agree. 24cts a kwh is a hard thing to let go of it would seem. Oh, plus a fuel surcharge. 
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11-21-2008, 11:18 PM
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Occam's Chainsaw
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Washington State
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Huh. It sounds like a good idea overall. It's certainly interesting, and I can see the benefit in rewarding people for using less. That's a good idea in and of itself in regards to its thriftness.
What other alternatives are there? We should compare them and then decide what to do.
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11-22-2008, 07:30 AM
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Wv's people burn wood...free to get...and saves a ton of money...some home owners with those huge stainless steel outdoor hot water heater wood burners have a gas bill at the bare mimimum...If the customer dosen't burn the minimum, the gas company can disconnect the service...
as for me, I love the smell of wood smoke...
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11-22-2008, 01:52 PM
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On the misty plateau
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Merrimack Valley, NH
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Originally Posted by David Kennedy
Wv's people burn wood...free to get...and saves a ton of money...some home owners with those huge stainless steel outdoor hot water heater wood burners have a gas bill at the bare mimimum...If the customer dosen't burn the minimum, the gas company can disconnect the service...
as for me, I love the smell of wood smoke...
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Pellet stoves and woodstoves are also popular here in NH. Many people selectively cut wood from their lot (several cord per winter). Most newer homes use propane or have converted to propane instead of heating oil. Passive solar architectural designs and electric baseboards are also common. |
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11-23-2008, 08:01 AM
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Location: Charleston, WV
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We use wood as a primary heatsource in our cabin in Canaan. Hubby and sons put a lot of work into gathering up logs, chopping it, etc. (actually, I think my hubby really enjoys the task). We are here on weekends. Last week someone someone stole about a wheelbarrow full of our wood. How low can people get? If someone is in need or an emergency, have no problem - but leave a note, replenish the pile at a later time, or something. Don't just be a thief in the night!!!!!!!!
Used wood as a primary heat source at our Chas home till the boys moved out - now just too much for hubby to do alone.
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11-23-2008, 06:19 PM
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Cap and Share is like a stupid boxer...
The stupid boxer says, "I'll tie one hand behind my back."
Then he says: Now, I'll tie my other hand behind my back....OK! Lets fight!"
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11-23-2008, 07:02 PM
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Occam's Chainsaw
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Washington State
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Kennedy
Wv's people burn wood...free to get...and saves a ton of money...some home owners with those huge stainless steel outdoor hot water heater wood burners have a gas bill at the bare mimimum...If the customer dosen't burn the minimum, the gas company can disconnect the service...
as for me, I love the smell of wood smoke...
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Wood isn't necessarily free, though. Those trees run out eventually. And it's only free if you can get it for free.  |
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11-23-2008, 11:00 PM
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On the misty plateau
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Merrimack Valley, NH
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Originally Posted by ArcticPhoenix
Wood isn't necessarily free, though. Those trees run out eventually. And it's only free if you can get it for free. |
Wood is a renewable resource because most people selectively cut trees off the land they own. Trees grow very fast in most areas of the Appalachians. |
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