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Old 10-10-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Western Pennsylvania
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Pennsylvania just passed a smoke-free workplace law, which includes restaurants and bars.

But I think there are exceptions for bars where food is less than 25% (20%?) of total sales, and "cigar bars". But they have to apply for the exception, it's not automatic.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:08 PM
 
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It's part of the nationwide strangle of unfunded mandates...the Morgantown businesses ran them out of town...sent them packing to Fairmont...more anti-smoker friendly down there...

and too, Fairmont dosen't really have many businesses at all...

Will they change that Order when the Manchino-Moneyhand Casino comes to town? If its built on the water...will it be exempt from everything...taxes, B&O, hamburger tax, phone tax...water, gas, electric tax...property tax...all the taxes?
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:00 PM
 
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I am no longer a "resident" of WV. I was born in Parkersburg, and that was my home of record during my 25 years in the service, but now I live in SoCal, so somehow I am no longer a West Virginian.

Never was really, and in my opinion, and I know this will really rub some folks the wrong way - neither is anybody else. It was all Virginia when my family came here. There was Southern, Northern, and Western VA.

I realize WV is a state, sort of, didn't go through the normal protocol for becoming one, but I honor that. West Virginia is a state because we say so, and that's good enough for me. But just because you put West in the name doesn't mean it ain't Virginia and it doesn't mean that ya'll aren't Virginians too. Because you are, like as not.

My folks fought on both sides of the War Between the States. So what? What matters is who you are now, what if your kin were French then, or what if they were a felon, who cares? You are not what they were. But I will say one thing's for sure; I will always be a Virginian.

Family motto. It was all Virginia then.

Heritage. 33RD VA, CSA, Jackson’s Own
p.s. We're not from P-Burg, from Calhoun, just in case you got it in your head my attitude comes from being urban, we're from "Booger Hole" West, By God or by choice, Virginia
I, too, consider myself a Virginian. The state, constitutionally, is an illegal entity. (If anyone doesn't believe that, look it up). Don't get me wrong, I'm EXTREMELY proud of where I'm from. (I have Lewis/Gilmer Co. roots.)

I guess I get my Southern pride from a story or two my grandma told me that she relayed from her older relatives as a little girl. (One ancestor, for sure, fought for the Confederacy). That pride will never waiver and I intend on passing those stories and sentiments on to my boys.

There was an old quote I read somewhere about the original "Old Virginia" (before the western counties left). The quote referred to Old Virginia as the "Jewel of the South".

It's a proud feeling for me because, like it or not, that's what it is, and this is Southern soil.
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:31 PM
 
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To the previous poster...sober up from that California corn liquior and come back to visit when your brain is clear..That 'shine you are drinking must have been strained through a rusty radiator...

Wv is a jewel but certainly not part of the rebellion you mention...our quarrel with 'old Virginia began in the 1790's...it was a taxation issue...it also carried the Patrick Henry mandate to dis-enfrancise our grandfathers...that was the beginning of our seperation from the 'Landed Gentry...

It took 80 years to whip their butt's with the Civil Rebellion of 1861, but we prevailed and a greater south has emerged...

Now we need God's help in saving this Union from the enemy within....If I were him I would wait a good long while...most have forgotton who he is...
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Old 12-17-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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as a resident of this state, what do you consider yourself? southers? midwestern? appalachian? northeastern?

what is the culture in WV like? what makes it similar to the south, the east, the midwest, etc? or is it in a hybrid category of its own?
We all consider ourselves Appalachians. Beyond that, it depends on where you are in the State. The Northern Panhandle is basically Midwestern in character, Northcentral West Virginia, although it is "below the Mason-Dixon Line" and the birthplace of Confederate General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, is basically Northern. Anything from Parkersburg south as well as the Eastern Panhandle is basically Southern. But we are all West "by Gawd" Virginians.
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Old 12-17-2008, 04:04 PM
 
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We're Appalachian American .....haha....

I'm from WV ...but I've lived in SC and Calif and been all over.....WV is more connected to the southern way of life and I consider us a southern state if categorized....If Va is a southern state then so is WV..... We are geographically below the Mason-Dixon....

When the voting for secession occurred, Union soldiers were standing at the polls and it is said not all votes were counted ...in other words, the Union counted them as they wanted..... West Virginian's did not secede from Va because of slavery.....The "western" part of Va had long been at odds with the tidewater area of Va because of taxes...this had been going on since the early 1800s....long before talks of the Civil War........The war gave western Va the opportunity they were looking for....to become their own state.....

I live near Charleson and would say the city has a southern atmosphere when compared to a northern city.... However I think all of West Virginia has it's own culture "appalachian".......friendly, honest, hardworking, and genuine....no BS is tolerated and easily detected.....

Someone posted on here that West Virginian's are "click-ish".....This is true.......This is bred in us from years of mountain isolation......The terrain was rugged and you only had your family, friends, neighbors, church.....So they became dependent on each other....and the bond was and is still strong today.........WVians are wary BUT friendly to outsiders until we figure out what you want....Once you get the "ok".....you're a friend for life!!!
That is not entirely true. Part of West Virginia extends more than 100 miles above the Mason-Dixon Line, which was originally the colonial line between Maryland and Pennsylvania (it had nothing to do with the Civil War) and was later extended to be the state line between Virginia and Pennsylvania, and later still to form the county line within the State of West Virginia between Marshall County and Wetzel County. I will agree with Kimber that Charleston and the towns in that region have a southern character, but other parts of the State have either midwestern or northern characteristics of some combination of southern-midwestern-northern.

The distinguishing factor is it is all Appalachian. Pittsburgh, by the way, is also an Appalachian city. The yinzers are the corrupted, urbanized version of the Appalachian culture. The real problems involving eastern and western Virginia involved more than taxes. The original inhabitants "west of the Blue Ridge" were celtic and german heritage people who had at one time been "indentured servants", a form of slavery that had time limits attached to it, and were supressed under the harsh rule of the English Virginia planters. Once they were freed, they drove over the mountain range and always harbored resentments against the Virginians on the other side. In addition, having been descendants of slaves themselves, as Appalachians they were staunchly anti slavery.

So while many of them had "southern characteristics", they did not share the acceptance of slavery as a viable economic option. In general, Appalachians northern and southern, did not own slaves although slavery was once practiced all over the country... not just in the south.

The cliquish trait is also a remnant of the clan mentality of the celts, and to a degree it still hampers growth and prosperity in the State, where each region is far more concerned with getting whatever it can from state government than it is about overall prosperity. It is one of the major inhibitors to progress.

That said, West Virginians of whatever stripe are the nicest people on earth. You can be asured of good treatment there unless you do something that indicates you do not deserve it. A person is judged by his/her actions, not by the color of his/her skin.
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Old 12-17-2008, 05:45 PM
 
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I hesitate to prolong this thread, but...West Virginians were not anti-slavery, they were not abolitionists in any meaningful way. The state was created by a junta without the real support of the people, and Wheeling recognized this. J. Chapman Stuart in Wheeling, Dec. 10, 1861.

"Now, Mr. President, to show you, and it needs but to look at the figures to satisfy the mind of every member, that even a majority of the people within the district composed of the thirty-nine counties have never come to the polls and expressed their sentiments in favor of a new State. In a voting population of some 40,000 or 50,000 we see a poll of only 17,627 and even some of them were in the [Union] army."

They added 11 more counties, which were even more unsupportive of Wheeling. The men in Wheeling were not the "yeomen" of romantic historians, they were the elite of West Virginia, plantation owners, oil & coal.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:36 PM
 
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I hesitate to prolong this thread, but...West Virginians were not anti-slavery, they were not abolitionists in any meaningful way. The state was created by a junta without the real support of the people, and Wheeling recognized this. J. Chapman Stuart in Wheeling, Dec. 10, 1861.

"Now, Mr. President, to show you, and it needs but to look at the figures to satisfy the mind of every member, that even a majority of the people within the district composed of the thirty-nine counties have never come to the polls and expressed their sentiments in favor of a new State. In a voting population of some 40,000 or 50,000 we see a poll of only 17,627 and even some of them were in the [Union] army."

They added 11 more counties, which were even more unsupportive of Wheeling. The men in Wheeling were not the "yeomen" of romantic historians, they were the elite of West Virginia, plantation owners, oil & coal.
I'm not sure where all that came from, but in general Wheeling was an industrial city (the oil, tobacco, steel, and coal of which you wrote) with German ancestory. I know, because my family has been from Wheeling for well over 180 years. That said, there were some planter-aristocrats in Ohio County, and some of them, including my maternal ancestors the Carters, did own slaves. However it was not common practice in the region. I never said West Virginians were abolitionists, but in general they did not support slavery. In fact, the conflict wasn't really about slavery. It was about the notion of states rights. Slavery was a periferal factor, and only because most (but not all) northern states had by then abolished it. Delaware was, in fact, a slave state that sided with the Federals and slavery was perfectly legal according to Federal law until well after the conflict had been taking place.

There are a lot of ironys in civil war history. Wheeling was, in fact, a town of divided loyalties during the conflict. There was a unit known as the Shriver Grays that formed in Wheeling and fought with the Confederates throughout the war. Bethany, a town only 15 miles from Pittsburgh in Brooke County, had Confederate leanings and the town's founder, Alexander Campbell, was personal friends with Jefferson Davis. Just 3 miles to the south is the town of West Liberty which was Federal leaning. There was so much animosity between the towns after the civil war that the colleges in the two towns would not play each other in athletics until the 1040s, when all was finally forgiven. There was a county in Mississippi that tried to secede from the State to side with the Union, and New York City had sympathies for the Confederates and tried to secede from the State of New York. It was not necessarily a geographical thing at all.
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Old 12-18-2008, 04:12 AM
 
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Bobilee has this right...was a political punishment to Virginia...slavery on the 'West side of the mountains was minimal.

Slave Market was at Prunty Town on Rt # 50 and the city fathers tore those historic but politically incorrect buildings down about 20 years ago...
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:42 AM
 
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Bobilee has this right...was a political punishment to Virginia...slavery on the 'West side of the mountains was minimal.

Slave Market was at Prunty Town on Rt # 50 and the city fathers tore those historic but politically incorrect buildings down about 20 years ago...
What idiots! It is incredible how political correctness seeks to mask the truth and rewrite history. It smacks of nazi - communist thinking.
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