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07-07-2009, 04:34 PM
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America's 10 Freest and Least Free States
RealClearPolitics - America's 10 Freest and Least Free States - Least Free - #1: New York
Of the least free states.......
Least free #1 is New York
Least free #4 is California
Cap & Trade represents more govt control. NY & Cal were big supporters of Cap & Trade.
Well, considering they are 2 of the 4 Least Free states, guess it makes sense they support Cap & Trade. |
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07-07-2009, 06:52 PM
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I'm assuming by "free" they mean states with the most lax business taxation policies. All I know is that you can buy marijuana in California and buy prostitutes and gamble in NV, yet they aren't on the good list are they? |
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07-07-2009, 07:20 PM
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I'm assuming by "free" they mean states with the most lax business taxation policies.
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If you read the entire report (link in the article) you will see a variety of things upon which the rating is based.
However....
NY is the #1 LEAST FREE...
Cal is #4 LEAST FREE
Cracks me up - we keepo hearing about how LIBERAL Cal is but the citizens have "only moderate personal freedom".
Liberals like liberty as long as it's done their way.
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07-07-2009, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by vec101
Cal is #4 LEAST FREE
Cracks me up - we keepo hearing about how LIBERAL Cal is but the citizens have "only moderate personal freedom".
Liberals like liberty as long as it's done their way.
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Yeah, even the Hispanic racist lobby, La Raza (transation : "the race"), maps California as a hate state. Note : they don't map Hispanic hate crimes and Hispanic hate speech, even though two Americans are murdered each day by illegal aliens. Hispanic racism, in their view, does not exist. I have yet to find anywhere on their website the words : illegal alien. And those two words are rarely uttered by mass media because of that plague of stupidity called political correctness.
Truth for hypocrites is like holy water to vampires.
To be fair though, there is technically, an equal rights for whites group that meets in Charleston. And at my last count, all three of them meet at Hardees.
Personally though, I hate seeing the word "liberal" used as a smear, as it stems from the word "liberty", and likewise, the "conservative" from "conservation". Both are good words. Liberal doesn't mean communism no more than conservative means nazi. It's better to call a spade a spade, the communists, nazis, and globalists, etc., should be addressed by their proper titles.
La Raza is not a liberal organization, it is a racist organization. ACLU is not a liberal organization, it is a communist organization. ACORN is not a liberal organization, it is a criminal organization.
These wars pit us against each other to serve a purpose and weaken any attempts at solidarity. This simple manipulation outmaneuvers any opposition by undermining it, and sadly, it's as old as time. Suggested reading : "Art of War", or your nearest bible. Add to that, sleight of hand with media distraction, and it's difficult for people focus on issues, to get to the facts -- because that is the intent!
People's neck hairs should be up with what's happening in this country as the snowball rolls down the hill, and if they're not, it's because they're brainwashed, dumbed-down to accept their lives as a slave-class of worker. We've been gutted. We are insolvent. We are being overthrown. I don't know how to wake people up. It's almost as if they have their brains shut off.
Maybe we can find some happy mediums in our disagreements, for example, and realize it's just one issue, but look at the profiteers of cap and trade, especially the corporate and foreign interests.
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07-08-2009, 04:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vec101
If you read the entire report (link in the article) you will see a variety of things upon which the rating is based.
However....
NY is the #1 LEAST FREE...
Cal is #4 LEAST FREE
Cracks me up - we keepo hearing about how LIBERAL Cal is but the citizens have "only moderate personal freedom".
Liberals like liberty as long as it's done their way.
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Basically, the study looks at things conservatives equate with freedom and rank orders those. It's obvious it was written from at least a libertarian bent. The study is weak, flawed, and kinda laughable. The entire idea of "ranking" states by a subjective thing such as "level of freedom" is doomed to fall victim to bias intrinsically. It is what it is. A liberal writes that article and Texas is the state with the least amount of freedom citing the death penalty or something equally as ridiculous.
I can't stand ideologues...they are so transparent and easy to spot...not sure why they bother me so much...it's just when they take any arbitrary thing and skew it to fit their agenda...it's annoying...
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07-08-2009, 06:18 AM
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What is detrimental to both California and New York is the amount of money they take out of a persons pocket to live...New York has a county sales tax and a state sales tax, together they amount to almost 9%...
California is at 8.25% with the threat of going higher....1% increase...and New York City is thinking the same thing...It's the only way to get taxation from a transient population...
What is dooming these areas and other areas of the country, is the sales tax and local personal income taxes of cities and towns...
When you consider most states and the federal government impose taxes that are pushing the limit of being comfortable, to add a local tax of any size, pushes a person over the limit.
Example: My son moved from heavily taxed Germantown, Md to save a nickle...Federal, State and CITY income tax...Moving to Harpers Ferry..40 miles away, has saved him $71,000 per year..more than enough to offset the commute.
We, in Wv have a very low state sales tax but I expect our counties and towns to fall in line and impliment taxation seen in others states...
Morgantown has been wanting a way to fund road projects for years, but the state has tied them up...
What would have worked was a tax on take-out food...(a tax more on transients than the local people)
Office of Tourism already gets that and its in the hundreds of millions...$0.25 per bag per establishment all over the state...some cities have tagged a nickel to this, but that is about all...and the resturant does the paperwork for them...
Our taxation in America is almost a form of slavery..hidden, dictated to take all the money..
We are almost at the point where we could give the government the total income and have them dole out our alms...
And most of all, the taxation is self defeating...It pays for salaries, government bloat, buildings and rent...a small portion goes to provide services...
Why wouldn't the Federal Government solve the situation by keeping the money-press rollers hot...if they can do it for four years, they can give it back to the Rebubs and blame it all on Bush...
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07-08-2009, 06:51 AM
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I agree that "least free" is somewhat of an arbitrary definition considering they are run by voter elected candidates. We can talk about New York and California until the cows come home but the fact of the matter is many states would be insanely lucky to have the type of corporate presence and demographics that exist within their borders.
And yes perhaps their economic needs aren't exactly aligned with those in West Virginia...But then again West Virginia's economic needs aren't in line with those of California and New York. Should one side cater more to the other? I can't imagine you would find many West Virginians sympathetic to some sort of economic assistance to California or any of these other "least free" states.
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07-08-2009, 07:36 PM
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The Dutch settled New Amsterdam in the late 1500's(longevity)...California has been driven by a pleasant climate.
The Dutch are gone and replaced with NYSE and World Banks......
and Scwarzyland is a shambles handing out IOU's that nobody will take...
It all boils down to "Fiscal Responsibiltiy...and that is pushed by how much money is in the coffers.
It's hard to get a creditor to take a bag of air as payment...they really want something that will spend.
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07-09-2009, 02:27 AM
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I'd really like a list of things that study required to make something a "free" state.
I wonder what things I'd use to rate relative "freedom" within various state lines. Maybe being allowed to buy the "cool" firecrackers...like back in the day when I used to go to Marietta, OH to get the m-80s because I couldn't buy them in Parkersburg. Or is WV a more "free" state than PA because I can legally go 70MPH on I-79 rather than 65MPH? Or maybe WV is more free than PA because we can buy liquor from any 7-11 rather than the state store in PA.
Anyway....that's exactly how you can tell who wrote the study. Everything they talked about involved the ability to buy and sell guns or taxation policy. Gee. I wonder why I might think a conservative wrote the methodology to that one.  |
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07-09-2009, 03:26 AM
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Could it be that the posters methodogy was driven by an understanding of constitutional rights given to us over 200 years ago and a fear that they are being taken away in some fashion?
Wv's government promotes gun laws to almost an extreme...(citing that kook from the legislature, 2 years ago who wanted the hobby of hunting taught in our school system)...while other states forbid them almost completely...
As a responsible citizen (my opinion) I feel I can own and care for firearms safely.
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