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Old 07-17-2012, 09:02 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Ok I would agree with part of this. Moragntown's city proper with the students would probably be just a little more than Charleston. But remembering that Charleston is a network of cities connected Charleston would still be bigger in terms of urban area. Morgantown would add a few thousand more with Star City and Westover, but it still wouldn't be enough to even compete with South Charleston (15,000).
Cities and towns connected directly to Charleston: South Charleston, 13,000; Dunbar, 8,100; Sissonville, 4,000; Cross Lanes, 10,000; Elkview, 1,200; Pinch, 3,300; Marmet, 1,700; Clendenin, 1,100; Belle, 1,200; Chesapeake, 1,600. Just those communities immediately adjacent to Charleston add over 42,000 to the population. By any definition (whether you make up your own or use a dictionary definition) those are suburbs. Some people would include Nitro and St. Albans as suburbs of Charleston as well. If we were to branch out as far as Clarksburg is from Morgantown, we would be including all of Putnam County and part of Cabell, as well as Kanawha County east as far as Montgomery, as suburban areas related to Charleston.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Morgantown has a land area of 9.8 square miles. Charleston has a land area of 33 square miles.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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UtEltEsides ct and i thatN thPi

This forum shows it is true. Opinions of people you know is not fact Mensa.

However for Charleston being boring there are other posters in this forum that feel this way. Actually ask Chris for a link to his post about Charleston in the US general forum. Many posters felt Charleston was nice but dead and boring too. So you need to find something worthwhile to think about. Morgantown may be bigger and have more to do than Charleston, but Mensa like you said, who care? It is not like being bigger or more important than Charleston gets morgantown any benefits Morgantown receives almost nothing from the state and regardless of how much the city grows will continue to get nothing.
This forum shows absolutely nothing about truth. It is only opinions. Everybody's got one. I asked for something concrete about the claims you and others made against Charleston and all you've got to offer is "Many posters felt Charleston was nice but dead." Obviously, Morgantown isn't bigger than Charleston, except for a few thousand college kids living there during school terms. (Some demographics do not consider students living in on-campus housing due to the fact that they are not really participating in the life of the community by shopping at grocery stores, buying home furnishings, etc.)

Now we see the truth. You hate Charleston because you don't think the state gives Morgantown whatever you think Morgantown should have. BTW, none of the communities is particularly important, and there is no contest about which one is more, or most, important. Each part of the state has a role in making the entire state what it is.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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The few Morgantown people on here (2) that post on Charleston would argue the world is square.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes, Mensa Charleston has a much bigger land area. That is what we have been saying. Drop that same area in morgantown and there is more people than Charleston. I don't get what is so difficult to understand about this(
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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This forum shows absolutely nothing about truth. It is only opinions. Everybody's got one. I asked for something concrete about the claims you and others made against Charleston and all you've got to offer is "Many posters felt Charleston was nice but dead." Obviously, Morgantown isn't bigger than Charleston, except for a few thousand college kids living there during school terms. (Some demographics do not consider students living in on-campus housing due to the fact that they are not really participating in the life of the community by shopping at grocery stores, buying home furnishings, etc.)

Now we see the truth. You hate Charleston because you don't think the state gives Morgantown whatever you think Morgantown should have. BTW, none of the communities is particularly important, and there is no contest about which one is more, or most, important. Each part of the state has a role in making the entire state what it is.
Mensa the census might not count them but they live here most of the year.

We have stated several times that using arbitrary measurements that don't reflect actual population Charleston is bigger. There is no argument about that. Going by how many people actually live in both places morgantown is bigger, no arguments. Charleston is probably bigger for 2 months in the summer but the rest of the year morgantown has more people living in it.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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Mensa the census might not count them but they live here most of the year.

We have stated several times that using arbitrary measurements that don't reflect actual population Charleston is bigger. There is no argument about that. Going by how many people actually live in both places morgantown is bigger, no arguments. Charleston is probably bigger for 2 months in the summer but the rest of the year morgantown has more people living in it.
Is there some significance that makes you feel important that WVU students live within the borders of Morgantown? Why does it matter so much that you create this measurement system to make Morgantown look bigger? Statisticians around the world use other methods. Was it really that important to you to be able to say Morgantown is "bigger" than Charleston? What do you hope to gain from this fanciful way of claiming population that doesn't meet anybody else's methodology?

BTW, are those students counted as residents in the communities from which they came to attend WVU? Doesn't that mean they are being counted twice, once by normal means, and one by yours? How many of them come from Charleston?

Are there any populations specialists at any reputable institution (say the US Census Bureau) that use your population counting methods?
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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Is there some significance that makes you feel important that WVU students live within the borders of Morgantown? Why does it matter so much that you create this measurement system to make Morgantown look bigger? Statisticians around the world use other methods. Was it really that important to you to be able to say Morgantown is "bigger" than Charleston? What do you hope to gain from this fanciful way of claiming population that doesn't meet anybody else's methodology?

BTW, are those students counted as residents in the communities from which they came to attend WVU? Doesn't that mean they are being counted twice, once by normal means, and one by yours? How many of them come from Charleston?

Are there any populations specialists at any reputable institution (say the US Census Bureau) that use your population counting methods?
Mensa you are starting to understand. The problem before was you were arguing something unrelated.

What I am talking about is people actually living in a city and not some arbitrary measurement system.

Like I have said a million times it isn't important. I'm just stating facts. Morgantown is not going to win a prize, nor is Charleston losing anything. I'm fact Charleston only gains from morgantown's growth.

So Mensa does it really benefit you to say Charleston is bigger than morgamtown? What do you hope to gain?

As for statistics different countries and organizations use different systems. I could come up with a system that excludes most of nyc population and make Charleston have a higher census population than NYC. It won't change the fact that NYC has more people living there.

So Mensa this is not a competition. Morgantown and Charleston have roughly the same number of people living in them most of the year. In many ways it is bad for morgantown since many of the residents don't pay local or state taxes, and morgantown is funded based off of its census population and not its actual population. That is why the infrastructure is so encumbered in morgantown. It is not always a desirable situation.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Britary

Mensa you are starting to understand. The problem before was you were arguing something unrelated.

What I am talking about is people actually living in a city and not some arbitrary measurement system.

Like I have said a million times it isn't important. I'm just stating facts. Morgantown is not going to win a prize, nor is Charleston losing anything. I'm fact Charleston only gains from morgantown's growth.

So Mensa does it really benefit you to say Charleston is bigger than morgamtown? What do you hope to gain?

As for statistics different countries and organizations use different systems. I could come up with a system that excludes most of nyc population and make Charleston have a higher census population than NYC. It won't change the fact that NYC has more people living there.

So Mensa this is not a competition. Morgantown and Charleston have roughly the same number of people living in them most of the year. In many ways it is bad for morgantown since many of the residents don't pay local or state taxes, and morgantown is funded based off of its census population and not its actual population. That is why the infrastructure is so encumbered in morgantown. It is not always a desirable situation.
I argue about nothing that is unrelated. You have, and continue to, avoided answering direct questions. You have nothing to support the statements you make. Without substance, your rants are nothing but trolling.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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I argue about nothing that is unrelated. You have, and continue to, avoided answering direct questions. You have nothing to support the statements you make. Without substance, your rants are nothing but trolling.
No, they are facts.

I explained my argument in great detail and you repeatedly ignore it and argue something unrelated. Only one ranting is you and like I said you seem to be very upset about the actual population in morgantown. This is the chip on the shoulder I'm talking about. You can continue to ignore what is being said and argue something different but it won't change the number of people living in the morgantown area.

Charleston is not a bad place. It is not for me, but plenty of people like it for what it is. However, nobody goes to Charleston because they want a real city atmosphere. People go there to get away from a city atmosphere while still enjoying good amenities.

Morgantown is more wild and has a boom town and festive atmosphere and like Charleston offers many of the amenities of a bigger city with less problems, plus it is close to a big city. Depending on what you want both are great. I just wish people from Charleston did not dislike morgantown so much. We dislike the government and not your city.
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