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Old 04-11-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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The commute from lower/mid Westchester to Nassau is not that bad. We have an office in Garden City (near the parking lot of the Roosevelt Field Mall) and I can make it there from White Plains in approx 40 mins most mornings if I have to go there.

For most of the commute you are going against traffic (Hutch and LIE/Northern State) The commute into the City by from either Nassau or Westchester is much more painful.
Hmmm...sounds encouraging, my office would be very close to this same mall. Ok so Westchester is back in the game Thanks Ehmom and John70. Yes I would be sticking to the east side of Westchester.
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Edgemont, NY
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I work in a large Japanese company, and many of my Japanese coworkers live in Queens (Forest Hills probably being the most common area). However, many who have school-age kids live in Westchester. There is a particularly large amount of Japanese in the Scarsdale PO especially along Garth Road and in Edgemont/Eastchester school districts. Westchester probably has the best services in the NY metro area regarding Japanese schooling and groceries (there are 4 that I know of in Westchester), but keep in mind these services are primarily geared towards expat Japanese (here for 1-5 years and then back to Japan). If you want more information, feel free to ask me.
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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Thanks Dimension6. We have for now settled on Port Washington on Long Island, which also seems to be an expat area. The expat thing is an issue for my wife as she would have nothing in common to talk about with them, different life, different life style, and yes, they are there to have fun and then they are off back to Japan or some other place.

The Japanese at your work that you are referring to, are they mostly expats, or are there some that really live here?

I did hear about Forest Hills. That is like 30min from Port Washington so she could make friends and drive
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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Just a word of warning, as someone who grew up in Mississauga and moved to the US 12 years ago - the New York suburbs are a strange place. There is a toughness to people here and a total snottiness that I never encountered growing up. I say this completely in general, as you will meet all kinds of nice people here. Also, there is A LOT of wealth concentrated in this area, more than you would see at home. There is just a different mentality here, an intensity, and definitely more segregation of cultures and socio-economic levels. Canadians tend to be humble and polite and you won't find that here in general. It's hard to put into words but you'll know it when you get here. Actually, I feel it more when I go home, when I hear so many more pleases and thank yous and have a nice days and I have to remind myself to RELAX. One time when we took the subway in Toronto I remember waiting on the platform and as the train arrived everyone waited off to the side of the doors while people got off, and then we all got on in an orderly fashion. It was like an epiphany - THIS is what things should be like!!!

Having said all that, I love where I live now and we've made some wonderful friends. If you can make it here you can make it anywhere, right? I wouldn't live on Long Island if you paid me but for your job situation it makes the most sense, and the Port Washington area is lovely. Good luck!
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Armonk NY
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Just a word of warning, as someone who grew up in Mississauga and moved to the US 12 years ago - the New York suburbs are a strange place. There is a toughness to people here and a total snottiness that I never encountered growing up. I say this completely in general, as you will meet all kinds of nice people here. Also, there is A LOT of wealth concentrated in this area, more than you would see at home. There is just a different mentality here, an intensity, and definitely more segregation of cultures and socio-economic levels. Canadians tend to be humble and polite and you won't find that here in general. It's hard to put into words but you'll know it when you get here. Actually, I feel it more when I go home, when I hear so many more pleases and thank yous and have a nice days and I have to remind myself to RELAX. One time when we took the subway in Toronto I remember waiting on the platform and as the train arrived everyone waited off to the side of the doors while people got off, and then we all got on in an orderly fashion. It was like an epiphany - THIS is what things should be like!!!

Having said all that, I love where I live now and we've made some wonderful friends. If you can make it here you can make it anywhere, right? I wouldn't live on Long Island if you paid me but for your job situation it makes the most sense, and the Port Washington area is lovely. Good luck!
As a born and bred New Yorker, I totally agree! People are generally much nicer to strangers everywhere else, so it will be an adjustment in that sense. I also agree that I would never live on Long Island, even the lovely north shore. It is such a pain in the rear to get anywhere! If you stay in close proximity to the Hutchinson River Parkway you will be fine with the reverse commute to Nassau - just have to pay bridge both ways every day - probably about 12-13 bucks w/ EZ Pass discount. 15 without.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Edgemont, NY
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Thanks Dimension6. We have for now settled on Port Washington on Long Island, which also seems to be an expat area. The expat thing is an issue for my wife as she would have nothing in common to talk about with them, different life, different life style, and yes, they are there to have fun and then they are off back to Japan or some other place.
I'm not familiar with Port Washington or Long Island in general. I don't believe any of my coworkers live there. Most are in either Manhattan, Queens, or Westchester. But, my office is also located in Midtown East, which makes for a much different commute than you would have to Nassau. I'm not sure how much you want in the way of Japanese markets and Japanese-language preschools/juku, so this could possibly factor into your decision.
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The Japanese at your work that you are referring to, are they mostly expats, or are there some that really live here?
I'd say it's maybe 60% expats and 40% eijyuu (permanent residents).
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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Just a word of warning, as someone who grew up in Mississauga and moved to the US 12 years ago - the New York suburbs are a strange place. There is a toughness to people here and a total snottiness that I never encountered growing up. I say this completely in general, as you will meet all kinds of nice people here. Also, there is A LOT of wealth concentrated in this area, more than you would see at home. There is just a different mentality here, an intensity, and definitely more segregation of cultures and socio-economic levels. Canadians tend to be humble and polite and you won't find that here in general. It's hard to put into words but you'll know it when you get here. Actually, I feel it more when I go home, when I hear so many more pleases and thank yous and have a nice days and I have to remind myself to RELAX. One time when we took the subway in Toronto I remember waiting on the platform and as the train arrived everyone waited off to the side of the doors while people got off, and then we all got on in an orderly fashion. It was like an epiphany - THIS is what things should be like!!!

Having said all that, I love where I live now and we've made some wonderful friends. If you can make it here you can make it anywhere, right? I wouldn't live on Long Island if you paid me but for your job situation it makes the most sense, and the Port Washington area is lovely. Good luck!
I already get a similar sense from just reading about different areas around NYC. Yesterday my wife talked to a friend who moved out from Toronto to Chicago because of husband's work. She is also Japanese and basically she reiterated a similar take on living there. You can clearly see the difference between the classes of people...hahahaha....now, I am not a socialist, so some difference is OK, but too intense, I don'd know

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I'd say it's maybe 60% expats and 40% eijyuu (permanent residents).
She would probably want to meet the permanent ones. Hmmm...I guess Queens could be an area. My commute would be against traffic so probably OK.

We do need markets, within a reasonable drive, and weekend Japanese school.

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Hutchinson River Parkway you will be fine with the reverse commute to Nassau - just have to pay bridge both ways every day - probably about 12-13 bucks w/ EZ Pass discount. 15 without.
It is a possibility. The issue I am struggling with is that all the little things are adding up and the greatness of the offer seems to be eroding, hence we decided to eliminate the bridge toll.

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Old 04-15-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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Just a word of warning, as someone who grew up in Mississauga and moved to the US 12 years ago - the New York suburbs are a strange place. There is a toughness to people here and a total snottiness that I never encountered growing up. I say this completely in general, as you will meet all kinds of nice people here. Also, there is A LOT of wealth concentrated in this area, more than you would see at home. There is just a different mentality here, an intensity, and definitely more segregation of cultures and socio-economic levels.
The segregation is the most surprising thing about life here and the hardest part to adjust to. Choosing "the wrong town" is a real possibility here - people segregate themselves to the extent that you can really feel like (and will be treated like) an outsider if you are in the wrong place. This is hard to believe if you are coming from a more "open" culture where people generally get along and aren't as cliquish (you know, anywhere outside of New York). You see it after you've been here awhile.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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The segregation is the most surprising thing about life here and the hardest part to adjust to. Choosing "the wrong town" is a real possibility here - people segregate themselves to the extent that you can really feel like (and will be treated like) an outsider if you are in the wrong place. This is hard to believe if you are coming from a more "open" culture where people generally get along and aren't as cliquish (you know, anywhere outside of New York). You see it after you've been here awhile.
I know, I am getting the point through the fact that it is SOO difficult to decide where to live....so many factors, moving variables. You need a regression equation to figure out what is optimal, and do a "management" adjustment Never knew this, and this research is opening my eyes. Ahhh, what to do, what to do. To come to NY or not to come.....sounds like Shakespeare

In general, what kind of household income would be necessary to NOT feel too out of place in the good area?
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Edgemont, NY
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She would probably want to meet the permanent ones. Hmmm...I guess Queens could be an area. My commute would be against traffic so probably OK.

We do need markets, within a reasonable drive, and weekend Japanese school.
Ah, if you're looking at a weekend school (hoshuukou), then that will limit your search area a bit. There are a few schools around the NY area, and you can see all that info here at the Consulate website: ニューヨーク日本人教育審議会が設置・運営する補習授業校. There's a branch in LI (maybe in Queens, looking at the map?). I'm not sure if you're planning to move to Japan in the future, but hoshuukou are designed for kids who will be returning to Japan. My son is 20 months old, so we haven't planned that out quite yet, but will put him in a juku (with mother) a couple days a week when he reaches two.

As for the markets, there are only 1-2 small Japanese groceries on Long Island as far as I know, but you can find lots of Japanese ingredients at H-Mart, which is a large Korean chain.
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