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Old 04-19-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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Just curious, nobody seems concerned about these rankings? US News uses variety of indicators including standardized test results, AP enrollment etc.

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...kings-overview


I find it very worrisome that despite overpriced houses and high taxes we do not stack up favorably in national rankings.


Just took a look ---- according to US News the school ranked #20 in the nation has an 83% graduation rate.I suppose one could see these rankings as a staring point for inquiry. Not the last word,
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Just curious, nobody seems concerned about these rankings? US News uses variety of indicators including standardized test results, AP enrollment etc.

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...kings-overview


I find it very worrisome that despite overpriced houses and high taxes we do not stack up favorably in national rankings.
This is just one of many benchmarks that a parent can use to determine what school would be best for their children, its no guarantee. Community affluence does not ensure superior performance in a school involved parents have the largest effect on that. Remember most students in college come from average communities with average schools.....
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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Community affluence does not ensure superior performance ...most students in college come from average communities with average schools.....
Yep. My point is exactly this -even the highest ranked Westchester schools are average by national standards.

All of us who live here like to say these schools are superior -but its not the case based on objective data.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:16 PM
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Yep. My point is exactly this -even the highest ranked Westchester schools are average by national standards.

All of us who live here like to say these schools are superior -but its not the case based on objective data.
Except - that's not true. Once you remove the selective enrollment schools from the list - of which there are none in Westchester, the "top" Westchester schools come out... a lot above the national average. Based on objective data. There's no comparison between selective enrollment school scores versus open enrollment ("zipcode") school scores since the selective enrollment school is already self-selected for hi scores. If you want to compare a specialized high school like, eg Stuyvesant in NYC which is only entered by scoring above cutoff on a test specialized test, with an open enrollment school like, eg Rye, which takes everyone... go ahead. I don't know what it tells you other than the people who came in hi scorers at Stuy also left hi scorers, and that the people who came into Rye, at all levels, left with a big majority scoring hi. Which one is a measure of what a school can do.


I don't know what your point is it all.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:48 PM
 
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Except - that's not true. Once you remove the selective enrollment schools from the list - of which there are none in Westchester, the "top" Westchester schools come out... a lot above the national average. Based on objective data. There's no comparison between selective enrollment school scores versus open enrollment ("zipcode") school scores since the selective enrollment school is already self-selected for hi scores. If you want to compare a specialized high school like, eg Stuyvesant in NYC which is only entered by scoring above cutoff on a test specialized test, with an open enrollment school like, eg Rye, which takes everyone... go ahead. I don't know what it tells you other than the people who came in hi scorers at Stuy also left hi scorers, and that the people who came into Rye, at all levels, left with a big majority scoring hi. Which one is a measure of what a school can do.


I don't know what your point is it all.
I think it's that the OP feels that this survey invalidates (or at least challenges) the Westchester schools' reputation, that we should all be concerned and that it confirms what a ripoff Westchester is.

I was amused to find that Bronxville High is ranked #107 and Pelham High is #388. Yet nearby Scarsdale HS is a lowly #1214. Horace Greeley (Chappaqua) is unranked. At that point I stopped being amused and decided to quit wasting my time.

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Old 04-23-2018, 09:38 AM
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I think it's that the OP feels that this survey invalidates (or at least challenges) the Westchester schools' reputation, that we should all be concerned and that it confirms what a ripoff Westchester is.

I was amused to find that Bronxville High is ranked #107 and Pelham High is #388. Yet nearby Scarsdale HS is a lowly #1214. Horace Greeley (Chappaqua) is unranked. At that point I stopped being amused and decided to quit wasting my time.
Yes - They place a big weighting factor in their algorithm on the IB program. So Yonkers does well on the list - blowing away Scarsdale!


I guess if one goes to a tabloid to get a school ranking, well...
I did try to point them to at least one more reputable ranking (if one needs such rankings).
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