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Old 08-19-2018, 05:30 AM
 
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Catskills, Hudson Valley for anything north of Westchester, south of Albany. Gets my vote too. A lot of people are relocating/getting second homes there.
With 2 million people living between Westchester and Albany, a forum should be created for the Hudson Valley. It is a defined area with triple the population of Syracuse which has it's own forum.

The Catskills would become a frequent topic there. A Catskills forum by itself would be too restrictive, IMO.
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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With 2 million people living between Westchester and Albany, a forum should be created for the Hudson Valley. It is a defined area with triple the population of Syracuse which has it's own forum.

The Catskills would become a frequent topic there. A Catskills forum by itself would be too restrictive, IMO.
Is this 2 million stat inclusive of Westchester and Albany?

I don't agree that it is much of a defined area. Syracuse is more of a defined area, for example. It is a medium sized city more or less in the middle of no where with a normal circumference of suburban and outlying areas radiating out as you move away. The only argument would be how far out do you draw the circle.

The Hudson Valley, to contrast, is much more ill-defined. Do you include Westchester? Do you include Rockland? On the other end, do you include Albany and its area? Many people, if not a majority, would exclude these areas from the Hudson Valley. For instance, those counties that are within the NYC metro are far different than those counties that aren't. Part of the problem is that the term "Hudson Valley" has been all over the map (pun intended) in terms of its definition and context.

Subforums on this cite should be organized by metro area. Therefore, no matter how large or populous it may be, a Hudson Valley forum does not make much sense to me.

One solution would be to convert the Westchester forum to "Northern Suburbs" or something like that (if Nassau is joined with Suffolk on a LI forum, than Westchester can be included with Rockland, Putnam, ect in a Northern Suburbs forum). There already is an Albany forum so that can stay. Than add a forum called something like "Catskills/Mid-Hudson".
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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To be honest, Rockland should be grouped with Westchester and call it Westchester/Rockland.

Albany already has its own forum.

So, I would say to include the former Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown area(Orange and Dutchess Counties), the Kingston area(Ulster County), the other Catskills counties(Sullivan and Delaware Counties), Putnam County and the Counties just south of the Albany area(Greene and Columbia Counties).
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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With 2 million people living between Westchester and Albany, a forum should be created for the Hudson Valley. It is a defined area with triple the population of Syracuse which has it's own forum.

The Catskills would become a frequent topic there. A Catskills forum by itself would be too restrictive, IMO.
As 987ABC stated, Syracuse is a more defined metro area in a region with just over 1 million people(including the Utica and Ithaca areas) and is a top 100 metro area in population, even with losing Cayuga County(Auburn) due to the creation of Micropolitan Areas. So, that is why it has its own forum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_New_York
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Old 08-26-2018, 11:40 PM
 
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Yes, I agree that the moderator could just make the forum Catskills-Hudson Valley.

I'm very surprised one does not exist given the demand. Just returned from the area and the real estate offices were quite busy. It could very well be the case that folks considering one area (Catskills or Hudson Valley) might also be considering the other, so it would not be an issue to have that info available there for comparison.
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Old 08-27-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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Look! We're in Architectural Digest this month!

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...n-travel-guide

We need a page. They are also building a 4.5 million dollar visitors center near Bethel Woods.
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Old 09-11-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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FYI- a "hamptons jitney" has been started for the Catskills. A luxury bus leaves NY every Friday evening and picks you up Sunday night. There are several drop-offs. It's called the "Catskill Carriage" and you don't have to go to Port Authority!

Google Catskill Carriage for times and place to meet.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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The problem with this is that there won't be a consensus on what is Hudson Valley and what is Catskills. Would a Hudson Valley forum include Westchester and Rockland? Some people think Westchester and Rockland are part of the Hudson Valley. Some people say the HV starts at West Point and Putnam/Dutchess. Some people think Albany is part of the HV. Some don't. As for the Catskills, opinions are probably all over the map as well. And a combined HV/Catskill forum, if defined broadly, would be a mess. Bronxville and Pearl River, just to pick two communities, have no connection or commonality with any random Delaware or Greene County towns. They have much more in common with Garden City, NY, Stamford, CT, and Ridgewood, NJ.

Long Island, by contrast, works because it's isolated, and therefore, has defined boundaries. But that is special case owing to its geography.

Deciding on subforums is a never-ending debate. For instance, in many respects, Rockland should be part of a NJ forum and/or a Bergen County subforum. Most people would probably link Rockland more with Bergen than Westchester and points north.

In this vein, there should be a metropolitan NY forum. The NYC area is more of an interconnecting unit of communities than NYS is.

Bottom line is that there is no correct way to set up the forums.
A forum called Upper Delaware River Valley (or something catchier) could cover the towns on either side of the Delaware from Port Jervis up to about Hancock NY and delineate it from the too broad term Catskills. It would refer to eastern Sullivan and western Wayne counties. Sullivan County is NOT Hudson Valley by any stretch.

Narrowsburg and Callicoon are the two "jewels" on the NY side: Narrowsburg has a Brooklyn style nightclub and a hip bookstore, Callicoon has movie stars and quite a few restaurants. Hancock to the north has Uncle Brother which is a "relational art" gallery / restaurant in an old car dealership. Honesdale in PA is a small city with a YMCA, coffee shops, hipster beer pubs, Home Depot and ... drumroll...Walmart!

Both sides of the river are booming with construction work making it impossible to find carpenters, plumbers, etc. Strangely you can still buy houses for 40K, I saw a really nice one for $28K this summer.

The western part of Sullivan County is another world as is the eastern part of Wayne. Very white trash, plenty of heroin to go around, a good deal of crime, hard core Trump Country and best to avoid. Hence I would vote for a forum called Upper Delaware River Valley which refers to these river towns. They are quite isolated from the general Catskills population and fast becoming a destination for city folk, especially artists.

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Old 12-09-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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A forum called Upper Delaware River Valley (or something catchier) could cover the towns on either side of the Delaware from Port Jervis up to about Hancock NY and delineate it from the too broad term Catskills. It would refer to eastern Sullivan and western Wayne counties. Sullivan County is NOT Hudson Valley by any stretch.

Narrowsburg and Callicoon are the two "jewels" on the NY side: Narrowsburg has a Brooklyn style nightclub and a hip bookstore, Callicoon has movie stars and quite a few restaurants. Hancock to the north has Uncle Brother which is a "relational art" gallery / restaurant in an old car dealership. Honesdale in PA is a small city with a YMCA, coffee shops, hipster beer pubs, Home Depot and ... drumroll...Walmart!

Both sides of the river are booming with construction work making it impossible to find carpenters, plumbers, etc. Strangely you can still buy houses for 40K, I saw a really nice one for $28K this summer.

The western part of Sullivan County is another world as is the eastern part of Wayne. Very white trash, plenty of heroin to go around, a good deal of crime, hard core Trump Country and best to avoid. Hence I would vote for a forum called Upper Delaware River Valley which refers to these river towns. They are quite isolated from the general Catskills population and fast becoming a destination for city folk, especially artists.
The western part of Sullivan county has some of the most beautiful scenery in the state! Roscoe was voted "Trout Town USA" and a sportsman's paradise. Bethel Woods gets A list concerts and the area is full of celebrities, designers, actors, and artists.

The new casino is a destination for some, there will be a new indoor water park, raceway, and golf course, but there is still plenty of woods and mountains for the country feel. I honestly don't know what you are talking about.

Please, everyone, ignore the previous comment. Totally erroneous.
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Old 12-09-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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Callicoon and Narrowsburg ARE the western part of Sullivan county, as are Jeffersonville (cutest town ever) Livingston Manor, the exclusive Tennanah Lake enclave and, most beautiful, Fremont Center.

Mods, we need a page for the Catskills!
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