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Rights can be taken away if a citizen commits a crime. Convicted criminals lose some of their rights. Yet, we don't deny that they once had those rights.
So there is no conflict between having a right and being held accountable for exercising that right in a responsible manner.
(And just as an aside, there are many legal analysts who do believe driving is a right, no matter how many people want to define it as a privilege. Please read the article from Reason magazine I posted if you haven't.)
I don't need to be educated on the subject.
I happen to disagree with you.
I personally think the Germans have the better system. You have to spend about $3000 or so to get a license there. And you have to go thru/ an extensive road safety and training course.
If I had it my way, I would see to it that there is no doubt about driving being a privilege.
If humans could be trusted to follow the laws of their state, it would be a non-issue.
In the mean time, I support anything that makes our streets safe for everyone.
I wonder at what age one can get a license in Germany. It might help to get some of the teenagers off the road until they can prove they are mature enough to not text and drive, or drink.
ok so its normal..I must have just missed the ones in the past 5 years in NC lol....got lucky I suppose. I have another question. The ticket I got I was pulled over in a parking lot I was actually driving through the parking lot when she flipped her lights on etc..someone else told me that parking lots in NC are considered private property and they aren't allowed to ticket you if that is the case. Anyone know about that?
"A road block isn't something to get yourself in a sweat about - unless you have something to hide"
lol, I am getting nervous by only spotting a police car near by. without having a criminal career and only 2 speeding tickets (20 of driving). I swear I have nothing to hide, lol
So many here willing to give up a little freedom for an element of safety. Give up some more and you will be safer still. Ya think?
A road block equals giving up freedom?
Sorry, I don't equate the two. Road blocks have been going on since cars were invented, especially once they became the method of transporting bootlegged liquor. Especially in western NC. Y'all just don't know your history.
If you want to get upset about loss of freedom, there are plenty of real issues to discuss on that point. But road blocks aren't on that list.
ok so its normal..I must have just missed the ones in the past 5 years in NC lol....got lucky I suppose. I have another question. The ticket I got I was pulled over in a parking lot I was actually driving through the parking lot when she flipped her lights on etc..someone else told me that parking lots in NC are considered private property and they aren't allowed to ticket you if that is the case. Anyone know about that?
What was your ticket for?
My son got a ticket in a gas station parking lot. He was putting on his seat belt while tooling through the parking lot. The cop pulled him over for not having a seat belt on. He had it in his hand, lol. He and his fiancee swear they had not even fully pulled out of the gas station. But hey - the cop was an ass. So there ya go. He got a ticket. I believe him - he hasn't had a ticket in 7 years and he had no reason to tell me he was pulled over b/f even leaving the parking lot and while reaching for his seat belt. Plus, my son had been called back in to the hospital for an emergency. So he was in a hurry to gas up and get to the hospital. He had on his scrubs. He tried to explain that he was in the process of putting on his seat belt while pulling away from the gas pump. The cop was very intimidating and suggested that my son may need to get out of the car and that perhaps he needed to detain him if he had an attitude problem. My son felt intimidated and decided to keep his mouth shut and just take the ticket. He didn't need a further delay b/c they were waiting for him at the hospital, so best to just stay quiet. What can you do in a situation like that? Not a damn thing.
So there are injustices out there but nothing to be done about it. And that has been going on forever, too, and isn't unique to NC.
Yes, people get tickets in parking lots. What was your ticket for?
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Ours was seat belt's as well. I swear the cop had it out for me for some unknown reason. Had never met the lady nor done anything else wrong. Had went to K Mart to get a video game and passed her then when we turned in. She obviously waited on us to leave K Mart because passed her again when going back to 441 to head back to Ga. My brother and his wife had been at the cell phone store and I pulled in the parking lot to see them and I was going through the parking lot and she flipped her lights on and pulled me over. She had an attitude from the moment she talked to me so I gave it right back. It was like a freaking interrogation asking me where I was going blah blah blah...Outrageous I have gotten tickets in several different states . WV,SC,GA,NC,Alabama and NEVER have I had to pay court costs when I wasn't even going to go to court. Mine as well just go to court and hope she don't show up this time. Gonna pay either way.
Sorry, I don't equate the two. Road blocks have been going on since cars were invented, especially once they became the method of transporting bootlegged liquor. Especially in western NC. Y'all just don't know your history.
If you want to get upset about loss of freedom, there are plenty of real issues to discuss on that point. But road blocks aren't on that list.
It's all a matter of degrees isn't it. You do not feel violated with a roadblock occasionally. Perhaps several in a week would be your tipping point, or several in a day. You wish to give them the authority and they will use it as they see fit. The point at which to limit it, is before it begins.
It is just foolish to even suggest that the road blocks that we are all familiar with have been going on throughout history. That is a distortion of the facts and not worthy of this topic.
The Reagan administration started the seatbelt and road block laws in the early 80's and extorted states into complying by withholding highway funds for noncompliance. Nothing even remotely similar had occurred previously.
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