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cooperwx, thank you for the explanation. i guess the good part is that Southcliff is not able to pack in tons of homes into a small area. i don't know, am still considering all my options. my partner and i are baby boomer's and trying to simplify our lives but certainly don't want to tread on the good people of Asheville.
Asheville Native, thank you for your response and for the very informative link!
There was coverage on the local video tabloid (WLOSer) about mud washing down from one of the developments on the mountain in or around Asheville the other day. We only had a 1/2 inch of rain over several hours.
First I feel it is safe to say that mud washing onto peoples property, clogging streams, lakes, and ponds with sediment occurred below EVERY mountain side development, including the jewels of destroying a mountain like Reynolds Mtn, and of course Southcliff, and all the others.
The good news, we got some rain yesterday, I got 1.37" at my house, some got more, some got less. For the most part the rain was gentle, falling over a 6+ hour period.
And yet another development (less than a mile from my rain gauge) on the side of a mountain (withing the city limits) caused run off leaving mud on streets, in peoples yards, silted streams, and eventually added to the silt in a small lake. This was also covered by our local video tabloid, WLOSer, and they stated that the developer has been fined 4 times in the past for run off. The developer has paid a total of $4,000 so far, which is probably less than he spends on diesel fuel for his equipment in a month. Obviously it is cheaper to pay the minor fine than to prevent the run off.
The next time we get more than a sprinkle, there will be coverage of run off from yet another of these mountain side developments, the only question is which one will get the coverage, as this happened all of the county yesterday.
Wait till we get a good summer thunderstorm that dumps an inch in 20 - 30 minutes, the mud will run people out of their homes in older neighborhoods.
Generalizations:
Large-scale developers do not care about mud in a downstream pond.
Large-scale developers do not care about mud in a downstream yard.
Large-scale developers do not care about stream sedimentation.
Large-scale developers do not care about small fines.
Large-scale developers care about views and buyers.
Buyers who do care about these things need to ask developers the hard questions.
Hi guys, this is a terrific forum, such good info here.
Anyone familiar with Southcliff? It looks beautiful with a lot of land that will be left natural. I think only 200 homes and fairly close to town. We are thinking of escaping from the heat of down south in Charleston and have been investigating the Asheville area.
Thank you for any info
Man this building on slopes thing makes for some scary reading. I just found this link about another new development in Asheville:
This instance was the Beaucatcher Mtn. development, washing mud into Kenilworth, and Kenilworth Lake.
Well ain't that just peachy - our house that we are trying to sell happens to be in Kenilworth, albeit Kenilworth Forest. I am so disenchanted with Asheville, I used to think this was a forward thinking "progressive" town, but the goverment here is about as backwards and "developer friendly" as Florida. Our community fought hard against that Beaucatcher development, and while we prevented the hugea$$ one they were originally going to build we couldn't stop their smaller residential one.
Just wait till those "fancy" developments on the sides of the mountains start sliding down the slopes - that's when the REAL fun begins.
Well ain't that just peachy - our house that we are trying to sell happens to be in Kenilworth, albeit Kenilworth Forest. I am so disenchanted with Asheville, I used to think this was a forward thinking "progressive" town, but the goverment here is about as backwards and "developer friendly" as Florida. Our community fought hard against that Beaucatcher development, and while we prevented the hugea$$ one they were originally going to build we couldn't stop their smaller residential one.
Just wait till those "fancy" developments on the sides of the mountains start sliding down the slopes - that's when the REAL fun begins.
Kenilworth Forest just gets the view of the red mud colored lake, knowing that the silt it represents it is suffocating the lake. I'm sure another small fine will be levied against the contractor.
It is raining today, so far just about a 1/2 inch has fallen in the last 2.5 hours, and odds are there is a fresh plume of muddy water running into Kenilworth Lake right now. I'm sure another small fine will be levied, and this will repeat many more times (hopefully, cause we really need the rain).
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Well ain't that just peachy - our house that we are trying to sell happens to be in Kenilworth, albeit Kenilworth Forest. I am so disenchanted with Asheville, I used to think this was a forward thinking "progressive" town, but the goverment here is about as backwards and "developer friendly" as Florida. Our community fought hard against that Beaucatcher development, and while we prevented the hugea$$ one they were originally going to build we couldn't stop their smaller residential one.
