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Old 11-11-2018, 03:57 AM
 
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https://www.citizen-times.com/story/...ax/1940923002/

Dillon Davis, Asheville Citizen Times Published 12:48 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2018

Asheville mayor wants voters to approve new sales, food and beverage taxes

ASHEVILLE — Asheville Mayor Esther Manheimer proposed Friday plans to ask voters to consider new forms of taxation that would grow city revenue and potentially lessen the burden of tourism on residents.

In a meeting with the Council of Independent Business Owners, Manheimer proposed a quarter-cent sales tax raise to enhance the city's transit service, which she argues would make it "much more usable every day for folks trying to get to work." The tax would raise $13 million annually to boost funding for the transit system as well as local infrastructure needs such as roads and sidewalks.

She also discussed the potential for a new food and beverage tax that would raise between $8 million and $9 million annually. Manheimer suggested the funds could be restricted for certain expenditures — downtown maintenance, for example — opening up opportunities for the city to divert some of its revenue to address other concerns levied by residents.

Both proposals require referendums Manheimer says could be on the ballot in 2020.

"We’re looking for revenue streams that better tax visitors instead of residents," she said. "It should be a popular idea. As you see, there’s an imbalance with residents paying a disproportionate amount."

City Council will take a "deep dive" into the proposals during a Nov. 13 work session, the mayor said.

Council members have faced growing concerns this year over development efforts in the city, which some see as coming at the expense of paying for needed expenditures such as road paving and infrastructure. Manheimer said in October she's "toyed with" the idea of a temporary hotel construction ban in the city, but ultimately noted the council needs to examine the ways tourism impacts the community.

Last month, hoteliers Monark Patel and Pratik Bhakta pulled a proposal for a 7-story, 103-room hotel on Biltmore Avenue after three members of the council including Manheimer indicated they would not vote for it, citing the need for the city to address its lack of "revenue diversity."

In North Carolina, state statute allows counties the option to implement a quarter-cent sales tax. It must be approved by voters in a referendum before it can be adopted in any county. This year, more than two dozen counties in the state attempted to implement a quarter-cent sales tax — and about 65 percent of those proposals were rejected by voters.

Last sales tax hike was in 2011
Buncombe County voters last passed a quarter-cent sales tax referendum in 2011, according to the North Carolina Association of County Commissioners. It was intended to pay for construction at Asheville-Buncombe Technical Community College — but a large portion of the revenue was used to balance the county's own budget.

Manheimer said legislation restricts how the new proposed tax could be spent. It is not discretionary and it can't be used to displace current spending on transit, she said.

With the food and beverage tax, Manheimer said she's effectively seen it done two ways in the state: either the legislature puts it in place or it authorizes a locality to hold a vote.

Her proposal Friday called for the latter. She said the measure requires "a lot" of community engagement, especially with local restaurants to determine how the funds should be spent.

"This would take quite a bit of conversation and collaboration to get agreement on how to do this," she said.

The other proposal Manheimer offered is working with the Buncombe County Tourism Development Authority to direct its percentage of funding annually granted to tourism capital projects to "multi-year, long-term efforts." The TDA voted last week to pause its Tourism Product Development Fund — made up of 25 percent of the $23 million generated by the county's hotel occupancy tax — in 2019.

Explore Asheville President Stephanie Brown said the fund has the potential to "enhance the quality of projects and provide a strategic look at how money can be used over a long period of time."

"We committed to a vision 15 years ago that Asheville and Buncombe County will retain its unique, authentic and environmental charm while welcoming visitors," Brown told the TDA on Oct. 31.

Manheimer said the better course of action is to become more strategic with the TPDF "rather than one off on this and one off on that."

"We could have some way to designate those funds so we knew year-over-year how they’re going to be used," she said.
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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The hotel tax should be raised and all of the funds should be used for infustructure not advertising asheville on Florida billboards and commercials.
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Last sales tax hike was in 2011
Buncombe County voters last passed a quarter-cent sales tax referendum in 2011, according to the North Carolina Association of County Commissioners. It was intended to pay for construction at Asheville-Buncombe Technical Community College — but a large portion of the revenue was used to balance the county's own budget.


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I'm sure they mean well ... bless their hearts

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Old 11-12-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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The hotel tax should be raised and all of the funds should be used for infustructure not advertising asheville on Florida billboards and commercials.
I know folks in the Tri-State are in the NE and they run commercials on the 3 networks there. Has to cost a fortune.
Asheville is crying out to be SanFran East just check out their taxes, free has to be paid for somehow!
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Old 11-12-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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Start collecting fees and taxes on all of the short term VRBO / Homeaway and such rentals in the area. Work these fees back into the rental costs and pass them along to the OOA renters.

Reduce the marketing of the Asheville area to outer markets as the area has already been found. Use the savings locally to improve city infrastructure and amenities.

Add a significant "second home / investment property" annual tax or fee for those who own property in the area but are not full time area residents. For those who hide their money in tax advantageous states like Florida but reside here for part of the year. For those OOA investors who turn area properties into rentals then fight to file and pay the proper fees and taxes on them.

Remove said tax once they prove to be full time area residents, or when providing their rentals at a pre-established market rate for the city while proving to be good stewards of their property.

Lots of ways to restructure things. Just have to have the leadership to see the bigger picture and not use city / area resources as their open checkbook.

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Old 11-13-2018, 05:32 AM
 
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Start collecting fees and taxes on all of the short term VRBO / Homeaway and such rentals in the area. Work these fees back into the rental costs and pass them along to the OOA renters.

Reduce the marketing of the Asheville area to outer markets as the area has already been found. Use the savings locally to improve city infrastructure and amenities.

Add a significant "second home / investment property" annual tax or fee for those who own property in the area but are not full time area residents. For those who hide their money in tax advantageous states like Florida but reside here for part of the year. For those OOA investors who turn area properties into rentals then fight to file and pay the proper fees and taxes on them.

Remove said tax once they prove to be full time area residents, or when providing their rentals at a pre-established market rate for the city while proving to be good stewards of their property.

Lots of ways to restructure things. Just have to have the leadership to see the bigger picture and not use city / area resources as their open checkbook.
Which is why I have never voted up for any new taxes or bonds. Politicians see building today as a financial windfall but never look to tomorrow when the infrastructure needs complete overhaul. They are gone with their millions by then.
I used to work for a few families here whose entire life is in fla. other then where they hang their hats. They spend less then a week in fla. but file all their taxes and even vote there.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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Which is why I have never voted up for any new taxes or bonds. Politicians see building today as a financial windfall but never look to tomorrow when the infrastructure needs complete overhaul. They are gone with their millions by then.
I used to work for a few families here whose entire life is in fla. other then where they hang their hats. They spend less then a week in fla. but file all their taxes and even vote there.
Which is why local leaders should stop pursuing outside money and balance the system out for local residents. Impose a tax (with incentives) on those who spend time living here in second homes / rental properties but hide their money elsewhere (and not just Floridians btw). Those who respect the area will pay it. Those who rape it will move on.

Regardless of all that, the local leadership needs to be able to allocate the funds properly too. Spendaholic leaders will drain the system as fast as it comes in with needless millions on this and that. Need a proper system in place to keep people in check and priorities in order so we don't end up with citywide cat statues when roadways are in need of repair.

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Old 11-13-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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...I used to work for a few families here whose entire life is in fla. other then where they hang their hats. They spend less then a week in fla. but file all their taxes and even vote there.
Don't quite understand your point...

We have an Escape Winter house in SW FL, though we are Residents of NC: we pay big RE taxes in FL, (as we are not homesteaded there), and of course we pay NC RE and NC income taxes here.

We have friends that are FL residents and have a mtn home 'here', but they pay considerable NC RE taxes on their western NC home, pay sales tax on all the stuff they buy here, etc. They are FL rez, but they don't "hang their hats" here for 'free' or cheaply, in my experience.

Confused, as to your point of residency, taxes, personal spending, et al.


As for the Asheville morass, anyone that has done some reading perusal of the 'genius work' by the different levels of gov't there, (city/county/et al), should not be surprised that the complete lack of oversight, mis spending, funds misdirected and the skim artists and crooks that were sprinkled in at all levels of that local gov't, have brought sensible spending and fiscal responsibility to its knees.
GL, mD
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:00 AM
 
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We have friends that are FL residents and have a mtn home 'here', but they pay considerable NC RE taxes on their western NC home, pay sales tax on all the stuff they buy here, etc. They are FL rez, but they don't "hang their hats" here for 'free' or cheaply, in my experience.
I would assume that this is the norm versus the other way (claiming NC residency, getaway in FL). Having a getaway home in the mountains and paying real estate taxes on it (frequently offset by ST / LT rental income - none of which is collected and taxed as income in NC) and a few months worth of sales tax on outings is quite the different situation than someone living and working here, contributing year round to the local economy, personal property, real estate and state and fed income taxes among others. Try convincing a local otherwise and be ready to run.

An OOS (out of state) residency tax to me would be more than fair for those with second homes or rental properties here. If you want to take / keep your $$$ elsewhere, then you pay additional to live here part time while clogging up the roads and resources for the time spent here. We could call it the "Fresh Mountain Air" tax, similar to what folks in FL call the "Sunshine" tax. (I know, not an actual tax ... well kind of.)

We also paid RE taxes in FL on three properties and in comparison to property values there it was a bargain, especially with no state income taxes to worry about. It's no secret why folks flock to FL and park their $$$ there, especially in their later years (outside money with no income tax on retirements, SS and estates / inheritances). As said, the choice of claiming NC residency and heading south during the winter is against the norm of what most folks do.

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Old 11-13-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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...Having a getaway home in the mountains and paying real estate taxes on it (frequently offset by ST / LT rental income - none of which is collected and taxed as income in NC) ...
I thought rental income on NC property be subject to NC income tax. Or maybe you're saying that it's not reported and therefore not taxed? I think that wouldn't be too difficult to track down...if NC bothered to look for it.
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