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Old 02-24-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Asheville NC, the good, the bad, and the ugly


I have a lot to say about Asheville, so here goes.

We moved here a year ago from Palm Beach County, Fl. Live in South Asheville, Beautiful development, great neighbors. As a matter of fact, I am extremely impressed with nearly all of the people in of Asheville. These people are considerate, polite, helpful, and just plain nice. Southern hospitality reigns here.

On a sour note, there is a serious drug problem here. Very high personal crime rate, very high violent crime rate, for such a small city. Go to CnnMoney.com and read about Asheville. 70% and higher of the crime is drug related. Where the national average is 100 per 1,000, we are at 177 for personal crime.

The socioeconomic differences between people here is absolutely astounding. All walks of life are gathered here. Very diverse racially, as well. You can walk out of a beautiful neighborhood, and be in a low income, or trailer park area instantly. Buncombe County (Asheville) has more trailer parks and trailer homes than any other in NC.

As far as a job here, I think there is a lot of whining going on. Being an entrepreneur, I see several opportunities here that are overlooked. There are many people here with superfluous amounts of money to spend. For example the area in South Asheville, Biltmore Park, Biltmore Forest, The Ramble, ..these people buy, eat, use...etc. Why not open your own business here! A restaurant would be a good start! We are lacking in S Asheville of a decent Italian restaurant, as well as many others(plenty of Mexican). If you don't get to a restaurant by 5, you can expect to wait a long time. The decent (few) restaurants are jammed....literally. Sunday after church...forget about eating anywhere...the places are packed. Carrabas opened in Arden/Fletcher recently, and they are so busy, you cannot even stand int here. People bump into you. The wait there, by 5:15 is 45 minutes to an hour.

How about a specialty store, a bakery (an Italian Bakery cannot be found), a clothing store (nothing in S Asheville, nowhere to shop), a baby furniture store, a deli, any service...any service ...would do well. A spa, a decent nail place,...use your imagination. This place is ripe for decent commerce. Oh, and what about a day care center? Huge over crowding problem there too!!!

Better yet, come here and work out of your house! An ecommerce store, and ebay store, an organizing service, a house cleaning service, a personal chef service...again, the sky is the limit. Forget about the 9-5 BS, and having a boss. Who needs it anymore? Teachers and counselors don't get paid enough anyway.

Schools--Sore subject with me. No better than Florida. Again, the socioeconomic differences between the kids poses a HUGE problem. Additionally, the way that many teachers speak, (southern drawl is fine) using improper English, is unsettling. Not all teachers, but many. The education here is nothing outstanding, nothing unusual. Very common. Kids here are practically failing in math and reading, particularly the African American children. It is very sad, but the stats show it to be true. Many children don't have parents together, single Moms...etc. So, the kids are not getting the attention and discipline at home, therefor they "act out" in school in very upsetting ways (sometimes criminally). Much of the time at school is spent waiting for a teacher to finish corrrecting yet another kid who cannot behave. We were in the "best" school system (Estes,Valley Springs, TC Roberson) Look them up online and see greatschools.com, or on the site North Carolina Report Card, We are sending our kids to private school now.

Taxes- They are very high. (property). City is annexing towns on the outskirts of the city as fast as they can. Look on a map, and find Biltmore Lake, in Candler. Yep, they are annexing that too!! Then there is the water Bill -way too high! There is a cap gains tax on it, because the City needs to replace their 100 YEAR OLD UNDERGROUND cast iron pipes.!!!!!! Yes, you read that right. The pipes are giving way, and it is a huge problem. Water bill here is double what our FL bill was, and we HAD A POOL in FL. Lastly, there is a .29 gasoline tax!!!!! And the sales tax is high. OOps, forgot state income tax. (unlike FL)...oh, no and here is the real kicker...an automobile tax, EVERY year, that you HAVE to pay. Whether your car is leased, or you own it!!!! For one of our cars, it was $800!! And again, to be clear, it has to be paid EVERY year, on the same car. (it goes down a little each year, as the car ages)

Drivers license- You have to take an entire test, and have lots of documentation. Don't go there with your LAMINATED Social Security Card. Uh uh..no no, they will not accept it in lamination!! And if you are a husband and wife, the wife needs a bill in her OWN name. The husband needs a bill in his name. OK, I am bitter. I had to go there 3 times before I had all my docs in a row!

Asheville is beautiful, and the weather is good. Only REALLY cold for 2 months out of the year (20's and 30's). Even then, the sun pours down during the day. Other times of the year it is so pretty out, and not too hot. 70's. Hot in July and August. (80's)

You might want to rent at first, to avoid all the extra costs. The Real Estate Market is good here. No real decline, actually staying above most markets. A gradual increase each year of 7 - 10% is realized here. No real change in that.

If you are a Floridian, originally from the North, they will call you a "half back". But, not to your face :}

Anything else you want to know, please ask. I will try

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Old 02-24-2007, 10:52 AM
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Hi Jcat. I do have a ton of questions, I'm still making a list, so don't go anywhere LOL. But for now I just want to thank you for your honest post. In looking to make the move myself, it's very helpful and much appreciated
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Lots of traffic and homeless people as well. There are a lot of good restaurants though. The police and the court system can not keep up with all the arrests that have to do with drugs, many of the offenders end up back on the streets. The area has way to many people moving there at once and the infrastructure can not keep up. It is a pretty place but the house's hanging off the side's of the mountains are starting to ruin that. If you are looking for good Italian food, try Iannucci's on Hendersonville Rd. (Great Pizza)
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Old 02-24-2007, 10:56 AM
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You are welcome.
We got the BS version, when deciding to move here. Realtors will not tell you what you really need to know.

I like it here, just wish I had been informed better.

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Old 02-24-2007, 11:05 AM
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Be careful if you have a house built! I have seen some of the worst built house's on the face of the earth in this area. They may look good from the outside but beware of what you can't see!
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:22 AM
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I lived in Asheville for a long time and can pipe in with some thoughts that might be helpful to others.

The original poster to this thread is right on about a lot of things. However, I've seen LOTS of restaurants fall flat on their faces. It's very hard to establish a restaurant in Asheville. If anyone doubts that, take a ride to Tunnel Road. There's a seafood place across from a gas station (can't recall the name). That place has been about 10 different eateries. There's a lot of competition in Asheville when it comes to cuisine. There's many talented chefs.

The homeless problem? ugh. To be honest many, many of the younger ones CHOOSE the lifestyle. They're punks and their lifestyle dictates living in squats, sleeping in parks, or they're shunned by their community. Asheville is called "Hashville" by some natives in the know. Marijuana is rampant. Unfortunately, heroin is making a big comeback. So is huffing (spraying paint into a paper bag). Meth is also a problem in the more rural areas. Check out Buncombe County Courthouse records. There's a website (can't recall the name) that will display court dates and the defendant. The amount of people getting arrested for narcotics can be astounding. Not to knock anyone's lifestyle (seriously), but many Rainbow Children make their way through Asheville and they've been known to be connected to a lot of drug use. I'm not lumping them into one category, just saying there are some bad apples that are bringing heroin into Asheville.

Downtown Asheville used to be a sleepy part of town and now it's like a mini Manhattan. The only thing I abhored was getting CONSTANTLY pan handled. I worked downtown and it was a daily occurence. I've witnessed people shooting up in garages and huffing in the alley ways.

Asheville can be pretentious. Especially downtown. One can tire of the "Kill your TV, I only read Kafka, blah blah" kind of mentality. You'll quickly learn what spots are pretentious and which aren't and make it your home away from home.

The outskirts of Asheville are gorgeous, but many of the locals and natives are fiercely protective of their community. Some resent people moving in, blowing up a mountain, and building a McMansion when they could have bought a house already built.

Asheville shuts down after 10 pm it seems. If you're looking for crazy nightlife, not the place for you. If you like to dance, you don't have many options unless you like line dancing or going to Scandal's (gay bar). The gay population is huge in Asheville which shocks some people. It's like a mini San Francisco in that aspect. Many of the gays have had to endure extreme prejudice from the natives and are FIERCELY protective of their establishments. For example, you can't just waltz into Scandal's. They will question you and make you VERY aware that it's a predominantly gay bar (who can blame them?).

I graduated from high school in Asheville. I received a great education. They do have a great school system. Lots of drug use among the teens though. It's very easy to get weed, acid, etc. Too easy.

Like any place, there are positives and negatives. The job market does stink though. Some people just aren't entrepeneurs and would prefer to work for a company. If you have the right business idea, you can be successful. My friends own the New French Bar on Biltmore and they've been busting their humps to make it happen.
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Do most lesbians dislike males? I have run into a lot of unfriendly ones over the years. Are there any on this forum I would like to know?
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Default Asheville Restaurants

Hi. Great info.

About restaurants, I meant or said, in S ASheville. We are starving down there!!

French Bar...ya know, we went there twice. The owners were so nice, so was our server/waitstaff. However, it is so strange in there. Hard to get a good feel. Not a real warm place, and almost seems like a gay bar when you walk in? What do you feel when you go in there?

What do you think about carolina Day? I have heard the drugs there are even easier ?

Nice to read your info. I am a mom of 3, it is valuable to me.
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:47 AM
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Not sure. Probably !!

Do you live in Asheville?
There are rotten builders all over, don't ya think?
We have seen many. Bought lots of homes over the years. Actually, Hayward Johnson built our house here, and he is here in Asheville (from FL though)! He was the best of all homes we ever had built. Funny...
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The county personal property tax rate in NC varies from a high in Scotland County of 1.1000 per $100 to a low in Dare County of 0.2600 per $100.

Asheville Metro Area

Buncombe - .5300 per $100
Henderson - .5650
Haywood - .4970
Madison - .5100
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