Can anyone actually afford to live and buy some property in WNC? (Charlotte: foreclosures, mortgage broker)

[pslamp32]

Originally Posted by organick

Well I am sorry I misunderstood you. However this highlights the fact that you apparently find no value in the mainting of values or cultures/ lifestyles of an area. exactly my point.

You want to continue to harp on the "no one" I think it is quite obvious that is a very literal interprtation. Why is it so hard to simply admit there is a disconnect between a Median income of 37,000 and a median house of 235,000 why?

I don't know what you do for a living or how long you have lived here or if you arrived financially secure. I do know that I know a tremendous amount of very hard working individuals who find it very hard to make enough money to pay their rent let alone make enough to save and buy a house. Shockingly enough thoose people eat out at very moderately priced restaurants also, this does not mean they aren't struggling. They choose to spend what "recreation" money they do have supporting local businesses and other hard working folks just like themselves. Perhaps its a sense of community, a sense of preserving what a special place this is so thoose businesses can thrive and we dont end up starbucks and Ihop on haywood rd. Either way the concept that even close to most people who work here are having an easy time making it here is disconnected.

Just out of curiousity, if you already knew the answer to the question you started this thread with, WHY DID YOU ASK? You seem unwilling to accept many other peoples opinions that YES people CAN afford to live and buy some property in WNC. If you just wanted to argue, we could have all spent our time doing something more productive. I thought, bad assumption apparently, you actually were looking for intelligent discourse, perhaps even an alternative perspective. This thread has obviously degenerated. I've decided you're right. NOONE could possibly afford to live and buy property in WNC. In fact, the house I bought 3 years ago is imaginary and, in fact, I just realized I don't actually live here!

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by organick

Just goes back to my point. Move here because of nature and the mts. and views. but then cut down trees, pollute the rivers and look at other houses on the mt next to yours. I know they can " do what they want" but its disrespectful to mother earth and to other people who then have to deal wit mudslides because someone had to build on the ridge.

But it is not your place to decide that....unless you do not believe in property rights.

I know it sucks but it is the way it is supposed to be in a society where property rights are guaranteed.

Where we currently live we had woods behind and to the side of us.
Right around when we were getting our house ready to go on the market people came in,cleared the land to the side of us and plopped down a double wide trailer.
This was followed by several old singlewide trailers.


Now the people are nice enough that live right next to us but it has been the one problem with selling our house.

Now the funny thing is we probably could have reported them for certain zoning violations but we believe in the sanctity of private property rights...

Sucks for us but that is how it is.

In your scenario you cannot control the view,if you don't like it don't look.

You also might not like what we are doing on our land as the other weekend I cut down about thirty trees....making room for pastures.

[NC_Paddler]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

Please show where I said no one can afford Asheville

Please learn to read, or don't bother responding.

The point I have made often is that given the job market and pay scales here (significantly lower than other NC cities) AND the fact the housing costs here (significantly higher than other NC cities) it is less affordable than the rest of the state and will preclude many from living here, or choosing to live a much more spartan existence than if they chose somewhere else.

REALLY??? Nawwww . . . get out!!! Seriously??? It's more expensive to live in Asheville than in Burgaw? I'm shocked . . . SHOCKED I tell you!!!!

What a waste of words . . . please tell us something that isn't already blatantly obvious.

The key phrase in your sentence is CHOOSING. Human beings have free will to choose whether or not the lower standard of living is worth the higher quality of life. If they choose yes, then quit whining and make the most of it. If they choose no, well . . . buh-bye.

Apparently there is no shortage of people who are choosing to stay, despite claims to the contrary.

[NC_Paddler]

Originally Posted by pslamp32

Just out of curiousity, if you already knew the answer to the question you started this thread with, WHY DID YOU ASK?

Because it gave him an opportunity to complain and whine and self-victimize.

[organick]

Originally Posted by pslamp32

Just out of curiousity, if you already knew the answer to the question you started this thread with, WHY DID YOU ASK? You seem unwilling to accept many other peoples opinions that YES people CAN afford to live and buy some property in WNC. If you just wanted to argue, we could have all spent our time doing something more productive. I thought, bad assumption apparently, you actually were looking for intelligent discourse, perhaps even an alternative perspective. This thread has obviously degenerated. I've decided you're right. NOONE could possibly afford to live and buy property in WNC. In fact, the house I bought 3 years ago is imaginary and, in fact, I just realized I don't actually live here!

again disconnected from the reality that many people live in by being stuck on a literal interpretation of no one

[organick]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

But it is not your place to decide that....unless you do not believe in property rights.

I know it sucks but it is the way it is supposed to be in a society where property rights are guaranteed.

Where we currently live we had woods behind and to the side of us.
Right around when we were getting our house ready to go on the market people came in,cleared the land to the side of us and plopped down a double wide trailer.
This was followed by several old singlewide trailers.


Now the people are nice enough that live right next to us but it has been the one problem with selling our house.

Now the funny thing is we probably could have reported them for certain zoning violations but we believe in the sanctity of private property rights...

Sucks for us but that is how it is.

In your scenario you cannot control the view,if you don't like it don't look.

You also might not like what we are doing on our land as the other weekend I cut down about thirty trees....making room for pastures.

I never said I wanted to take peoples property rights away, this has nothing to do with that. I am saying why would you move someplace because you like it and then change it. Also mt. side development does much worse things than ruin views. Just check the rivers after a rain storm the water is so full of mud from run off its sick or as the people in haywood cty who had there house crushed by a slide from development above them. I fully believe in rights. I also believe in social and environmental responsibility. Cutting trees for pasture to raise food (i assume) is far different from cutting trees off mountain sides and leaving an ecosystem vulnerable.

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by organick

I never said I wanted to take peoples property rights away, this has nothing to do with that. I am saying why would you move someplace because you like it and then change it.

No idea but people do it all the time....they escape the area they lived in only to want to remake the new area to be similar....stupidity perhaps???

Also mt. side development does much worse things than ruin views. Just check the rivers after a rain storm the water is so full of mud from run off its sick or as the people in haywood cty who had there house crushed by a slide from development above them.

Then that would make those areas liable for damages...you cannot cause damage to your neighbors property.

I fully believe in rights. I also believe in social and environmental responsibility. Cutting trees for pasture to raise food (i assume) is far different from cutting trees off mountain sides and leaving an ecosystem vulnerable.

No I will probably be cutting down some trees to let us still have views too....but it is a lot less important than having areas for livestock and orchards....but it matters little the reason really,the trees are still cut.

I honestly suggest you take stock of what you want in your future homestead and plan accordingly,it seems that the building up of the Asheville area gives you 'heartburn' and realistically speaking there is nothing you can do about it....

So back to the OP.

I still suggest you look further afield to find your place,even if it means sacrificing a 'good job'....

What in the end is more important, a good paying job or a good life?

[organick]

Apparently there is no shortage of people who are choosing to stay, despite claims to the contrary.[/quote]


This is another example being out of touch with the local community of people who have lived here for a long time. I couldn't tell you how many people leave because they can't make. Tons of people. As I said I run a service based business. I am in probably 10-15 different houses a week. There are alot of people leaving due to finances, the lack sustainable decent paying jobs, etc. People with college degrees that can't find a job, laborers, all kinds of people. Sure there are restaurant and other successful businesses downtown but the majority are started and owned by people who show up with backing to get started. But not many jobs in these establishments enable people to buy a house and afford healthcare along with lifes other necessaties.

Also please do not claim that I am self victimizing. I am not. I don't feel like a victim at all. If you read the original post I clearly state that I have options. Maybe for once try thinking about the little guy who has lived here 30 years as a part of his community and how this all affects him as oppossed to this attitude of people can do whatever they want....but should they? where does that leave a community or the human race.

People seem to foget the only reason we have all these freedoms is because at one point we knew how to take care of each other and somewhere along the way that has died in many people.

[organick]

[quote=oz in SC;10811422]No idea but people do it all the time....they escape the area they lived in only to want to remake the new area to be similar....stupidity perhaps???

Thank you.....

Then that would make those areas liable for damages...you cannot cause damage to your neighbors property.

Don't think an average person with not much money stands a chance of affording to fight a developer building million dollar houses.



No I will probably be cutting down some trees to let us still have views too....but it is a lot less important than having areas for livestock and orchards....but it matters little the reason really,the trees are still cut.

Your trees are not holding a mt side together.

I honestly suggest you take stock of what you want in your future homestead and plan accordingly,it seems that the building up of the Asheville area gives you 'heartburn' and realistically speaking there is nothing you can do about it....

So back to the OP.

I still suggest you look further afield to find your place,even if it means sacrificing a 'good job'....

What in the end is more important, a good paying job or a good life?

As i said before I understand you but the bank doesn't loan to people wanting a good life, lol.

[organick]

This thread is obviously just a disagreement of beliefs now...


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