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Old 07-07-2011, 04:40 PM
 
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I wonder how they come up with these rankings..
that's why people need to list their sources.
Would anyone believe the KKK or jessie jackson's PUSH on the state of race relations?

Or why does madison's leftist wisconsin state journal use the UW Extension as a 'journalist' in their business section?

Yeah, the same UW Extension that stated when taxpayers paid 40% of resident tuition at the UW, it's an "investment".

'sourcing' is a rather easy way to expose/avoid clowns.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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My source was Newsweek. And according to the article, here's how they came up with the results:

We enlisted a panel of experts—Wendy Kopp of Teach For America, Tom Vander Ark of Open Education Solutions (formerly executive director for education at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation), and Linda Darling-Hammond, Stanford professor of education and founder of the School Redesign Network—to develop a yardstick that fully reflects a school’s success turning out college-ready (and life-ready) students. To this end, each school’s score is comprised of six components: graduation rate (25%), college matriculation rate (25%), AP tests taken per graduate (25%), average SAT/ACT scores (10%), average AP/IB/AICE scores (10%), and AP courses offered (5%). (For more information on how these rankings were tabulated, see our Full Methodology.)
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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My hi skool is on there. Yay! I so smart!
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Doesn't anyone else think it's sad that you have to get to 174 before any school in Wisconsin even shows up?? Texas on the other hand, has 4 in the top 11. Florida, 3 in the top 14.
Seriously, Mrs. Cool, do you know how much larger Texas is? Do you know that on average, Texas schools are much worse than Wisconsin's schools--take a look at the average SAT score in Texas vs. Wisconsin. The Texas schools that got into the top 11 were mostly big city magnet schools which can pick and choose their students. Only the best of the best get in. I know because I live in Texas. I had the great, good luck to live in a wealthy suburb of Dallas. The high school there is ranked 84 on this list. Why? The parents are very involved and the students are pushed to excel.

About Florida schools, I remember a friend of mine who moved from Watertown High School in WI, not a bad school, but not considered the cream of the crop. When he transferred to a Florida school, he had to take college courses because he was so far ahead of the curriculum.
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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No surprise Homestead is on the list. I went there and it is more like a mini university than a high school.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:22 AM
 
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Doesn't anyone else think it's sad that you have to get to 174 before any school in Wisconsin even shows up?? Texas on the other hand, has 4 in the top 11. Florida, 3 in the top 14.
It is heavily weighted on the number of seniors that take AP classes vs the number of seniors graduating. Most of the Texas schools that are ranked up there are application only charter schools that REQUIRE all students to take AP tests. What I don't like about this is that they don't factor in how WELL they do on the test, just that they take them. It's possible that all of these kids are only getting 1's on their tests-that really doesn't prove that they are good schools, but these schools are really "private" schools operating under a charter school system--oh, and your school actually has to SUBMIT information (and pay to do so) and a lot of schools just don't waste the money to do that since the rankings really don't mean anything.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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It is heavily weighted on the number of seniors that take AP classes vs the number of seniors graduating. Most of the Texas schools that are ranked up there are application only charter schools that REQUIRE all students to take AP tests. What I don't like about this is that they don't factor in how WELL they do on the test, just that they take them. It's possible that all of these kids are only getting 1's on their tests-that really doesn't prove that they are good schools, but these schools are really "private" schools operating under a charter school system--oh, and your school actually has to SUBMIT information (and pay to do so) and a lot of schools just don't waste the money to do that since the rankings really don't mean anything.
I don't see "heavily weighted". It's Graduation rate, College graduation rate, and AP tests taken all at 25% each. The number of AP classes offered, and we can assume taken, is only 5%. Definitely NOT "heavily weighted". The AP score is 10%, so it IS factored in, not disregarded as you suggest.
Where did you read a school has to pay to "submit" information?
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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About Florida schools, I remember a friend of mine who moved from Watertown High School in WI, not a bad school, but not considered the cream of the crop. When he transferred to a Florida school, he had to take college courses because he was so far ahead of the curriculum.
Florida schools are a joke.. it's pretty well known.

A friend of mine had (2) boys in school in WI... slow learners.. in the "special" class.
They move down to Florida.. and "wham" suddenly these (2) boys are genuises... tops in their class
True story.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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Those schools are located in conservative regions of WI, not any liberal area.
Shorewood is very liberal, also maybe conservative policies are better for schools
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Lubbock, Tx
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There are some differences between Texas schools, for example, and Wisconsin schools, which makes it difficult to compare. First, Texas has a far more diverse population, lots more minorities, and immigrants, not just from Mexico, but all over the world. It also has a large low income population, but from recent studies, the schools are doing a pretty good job of educating these populations. Keep in mind that many of the Hispanic immigrants not only don't speak English, but they and their parents are likely not even to read or write in Spanish. They also don't put a high priority on education, which makes them a difficult group to motivate to excel in school.

Also Wisconsin's HS are mostly general public education schools for all the students in the community. Some of those Texas schools are specialty HS, that are intended to give gifted and talented students, especially from low income homes, a place to go to school where they can excel, but most on the list are public schools.

Finally, many of the HS is Texas are excellent. My son's HS did not make the list, but was listed from many years as one of the best public HS in the Dallas area, JJ Pierce HS in Richardson. And it was an exceptionally good school. In an average year they had 10 National Merit Scholars from a class of only about 500 seniors. So Wisconsin residents should be very careful about looking down their noses at other school systems in other states.
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