Why the strong hatred towards Illinois? (Milwaukee, Madison: fit in, find a job, neighborhoods)

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by politikally

Well I will grant your understanding of Milwaukee, I don't think Chicago is the only city in the midwest holding together. Minneapolis, Madison, Grand Rapids, Des Moines, and Indy are doing their part - and they are all far from rotting an decrepid.

Anyway, the whole point of the this thread was to point out why there's hatred between the two states. I think your attitude along with others are perfect examples of the reasons why. Again it's the "We have money, and we own the place" attitude that is so prevelant amoungst those from Chicago, which ticks so many in Wisconsin off.

As for your speeding ticket, if you were going faster than the speed limit to pass, it's illegal. Regardless of what others were doing, so the cop was justified. Plus, it is perfectly legal to go below the speed limit. Hence why they call it a "limit" and not a minimum.

In most states, maybe not yours, its ILLEGAL to go under the speed limit in the passing lanes. Here in Illinois its punishable by ticket, I wish it was in other states. The passing lane is for passing, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I guess thats incomprehensible for some in WI? Anyways, IMO he was disobeying the law by not obeying the posted "slower traffic keep right" signs. I went only 7 over to pass and get busted, all the while Wisconsinites are passing ME up in the middle lanes and I get a ticket?!?! Unbelievable.

[cmb53208]

Originally Posted by azloafer

"In fact, some cheeshead, dairy-queen WI state trooper gave me at ticket because I went over the speed limit while PASSING a cheeshead who was driving 5 UNDER in the passing lane! WI troopers are notorious for picking out Illinois plate and for that I say ***** OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!""

As a retired law enforcement officer from Wisconsin, I can tell you that we never arrest people based on license plates! I don't know where you get this attitude from but it is clear to everyone reading your statement that you have a big chip on your shoulder. You have a right to express your opinion; just don't carry your police prejudice into your statements. I think everyone reading this can figure out where your head is at.

Well, if he were busted on I-94 in Racine County, I could see him getting busted for driving with Illinois plates-it's pretty much an open secret that Racine County supports itself with ticket revenue while it's county seat becomes more and more of a crime ridden dump.

While your agency may not have issued tickets/arrests based on state of origin, can you say that other agencies did not? Police departments as a group are just like any other large group of human beings-some in the group are scumbags

[Steve-o]

CMB, thats EXACLY where I was busted, about 3 miles inside the border of WI. And guess what? Thats where ALL my friends/family get pulled over too. If I remember, Ill bust out the ticket when I get home and tell you what mile marker we were near.

People, dont believe the hype that WI troopers dont single out IL plates.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by azloafer

"In fact, some cheeshead, dairy-queen WI state trooper gave me at ticket because I went over the speed limit while PASSING a cheeshead who was driving 5 UNDER in the passing lane! WI troopers are notorious for picking out Illinois plate and for that I say ***** OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!""

As a retired law enforcement officer from Wisconsin, I can tell you that we never arrest people based on license plates! I don't know where you get this attitude from but it is clear to everyone reading your statement that you have a big chip on your shoulder. You have a right to express your opinion; just don't carry your police prejudice into your statements. I think everyone reading this can figure out where your head is at.

Heh. Nonsense on stilts. If you have IL plates, the speed limit in Wisconsin is zero.

Seriously though... driving habits are regional. Chicago-area drivers seem like nutballs in Wisconsin because we are trained to drive 80MPH. It's not an ego thing or an "OMGWTFBBQ I just gotta get there absolutely as quickly as I can!" thing -- we drive 80MPH because you HAVE to around here to avoid getting mowed down and run off the road. Herd mentality -- no use fighting it so you might as well go with the flow so you're not creating a bottleneck.

The problem, then is this: Too many of us forget to adjust our habits when we cross the border where locally observed speeds are a little slower. This is one complaint where cheeseheads are dead-on. Hey fibbers, when you cross the border and you suddenly start blowing by everyone else... take that as your cue to slow the hell down. You don't have to stay out of everyone's way any more.

[Steve-o]

Yep, you nailed it! Youve perfectly described EVERYONE in Illinois who crosses the border. Good job!

ALL us Illinoisans drive like maniacs, same way ALL you cheeseheads drive like maniacs.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by politikally

"We have money, and we own the place" attitude that is so prevelant amoungst those from Chicago, which ticks so many in Wisconsin off.

So let me try to understand this. Is your complaint that we have an attitude like "we have the money and we own the place," or is it that we actually do have the money and we actually do own the place (or are buying it one piece at a time), which drives up property values and drives up property taxes and drives people out? Or is it both? I can't quite keep it all straight. And what does this make the people who are selling out to us? Greedy? Traitors? Yap about our attitudes and our money all you want. Your neighbors keep taking our money off our hands, most of them gladly. It's the damndest thing -- they actually enjoy the net capital inflow that keeps an economy growing.

You know, most people actually consider climbing property values to be a good thing. Most people like the fact that their largest asset is increasing in value. It sure as flippin' hell beats the alternative. And if it's the property taxes that are driving people out, a more constructive approach than cranking about FIBbers buying up property would be to advocate for tax reform. Or you could always move to the western UP, a resplendent, unspoilt FIB-free zone where land is cheap because everyone is leaving after giving up trying to find a job. Good times!

My family makes no apology for the property we own. We bought it with honest money and we don't owe anyone a justification.

[Steve-o]

Amen. You hit the nail right on the head.

[gravesgirl]

Okay okay... After reading much of these posts, I have to give my opinion.

1) It's true that we Wisconsinites do see radical driving by Illinois drivers, HOWEVER, do we really pay attention and remember all the bad Wisconsin drivers we come across? Or maybe we're one of them? I have seen plenty from both sides of the border.

2) I too am a little annoyed by the fact that out-of-state people (not just Illinois) flock to our state, buy our beatiful countryside property and then only use them for 3 months out of the year. If you want to visit our state, you're more than welcomed to, we enjoy the tourism $$. But RENT a hotel/cabin and leave the land for the locals.

3) The Bears still suck. (no matter how their season is going)

Anywho, none of these are the REAL issue at hand. When you get right down to it, in all forms of descrimination, it's how individuals are raised. It's just common knowledge in our state that we don't like a)people from Illinois b)Chicago Bears and c)Minnesota Vikings. My suggestion to you if you move up here: change your license plates immediately and claim to be from Michigan.

[Steve-o]

#3 is fightin words.

And your last paragraph sums up most Wisconsinites perfectly.

GOOD FRICKING GRIEF PEOPLE!

[katt]

I have no hatred at all for Illinois people. The town I live in has a population of just over 500 people. Were it not for the Il. people with their week~end homes here businesses couldn't survive on just our local people. We have enough retail businesses in town to supply all our needs without having to even leave town. If the Il. people left, our town would go under in no time at all. That would mean a 50 mile (round trip) drive to the next small city every time we needed anything at all.

I have no problems at all with the "attitudes" of the Illinois people. To "come here and rent a cabin or motel and leave the land to the locals" is absurd. There are places for sale all over the place and the "locals" sure aren't buying them up. It isn't as though the Illinois people are coming up and stealing the land~~they're buying what is on the market that the locals could just as easily buy if they wanted it~~they don't or can't afford it. Thank God there are Illinois people who are interested and do have the money to spend. I think an Illinois land owner is as much a part of any community as any "local". 99% of the Illinois week~enders are buying property for retirement and will soon become full time residents. In the meantime they're holding our small communities together for our benefit by coming and spending their money and having a good time almost every week~end of the year.

Yes~~they are driving our property values higher. I'm happy my property is gaining value as that sure is better than losing value. Which way would you rather have it? My sister has a place a block from a small lake here~~yes she's a week~ender from Milwaukee. Illinois people came and built their expensive log homes on the water~~that same land has been for sale for years and no locals beat a path to the realtors door to buy it up. Illinois people bought it or it would still be for sale. My sister was VERY happy that they raised her property value by building next to her. Her land value alone on less than an acre raised $15,000.00 in one year. That doesn't include the higher value placed on her home. I guess it's all in how you care to look at it. I look on Illinois people as saviors to our small community as they are the ones who keep us all afloat and keep the doors open in all our businesses here in town. We locals can't do it alone. Thank you Illinois!!!