Study finds wealthy retirees leave Wisconsin (Manitowoc, Dallas: appointed, apartment, how much)
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I'm not retired, but I lived in Texas for many years.
No state tax, but the property tax and the sales tax are killers. There is no free lunch folks. Furthermore, the summers are abominable. Oh, and we have Rick Perry for governor. Well, you have Scott Walker, so that's a wash.
Property taxes in TX are substantially lower than in WI (almost half).
Turn off your AC and the summers become alot more tolerable. People think they can go from their 65 degree air conditioned homes to the 110 degree heat and not suffer. You have to climatize!!!
I'll take Scott Walker over Rick Perry any day. Damn fine governor!
Property taxes in TX are substantially lower than in WI (almost half).
Turn off your AC and the summers become alot more tolerable. People think they can go from their 65 degree air conditioned homes to the 110 degree heat and not suffer. You have to climatize!!!
I'll take Scott Walker over Rick Perry any day. Damn fine governor!
Agreed! Go from Miami in the summer or from Gonzales, LA to Houston and you would think you're back in WI. Texas is not as bad as some people put it. Miami is really hot in summer and the humidity in rural Louisiana is unrivaled!
I also would suggest not keeping your AC at 55 then going outside. In Milwaukee right by the lake I never have to use AC however everyone in my building has their AC going round the clock in summer.
Oh Scott Walker is so bad, public employees shouldn't have to pay for their pension and their health insurance and mandating union dues is a "right" established in the collective bargain rights employees who don't want to be in a union should not have the same "choice" as a mother who wants to abort her child. Funny liberals say they are pro-choice but when it comes to mandating Ethanol and union dues well then you don't get to "chose" and for this we want to fire the governor.
BTW you(yourself) still can bargain for certain "privileges" just not as a collective work group. Too bad you can no longer strike if your employer doesn't "choose" WEA Trust.
Where are all the shamers and blue fisters in NY and NJ and IL and California and many other states that are implementing the same things Gov Walker is doing? oh wait all those governors are all democrats. Maybe you liberals would rather have Pat Quinn as your governor who raised taxes through the roof and now Quinn wants $2 billion in state Medicaid cuts - Chicago Sun-Times
I don't think it's the weather. I'm guessing its the over taxation.
Ironically, the people running from this state are the over-paid public employees. They take and take from taxpayers and then run as soon as they can with their pensions in tow. I think we should pass a law that says public employee pensions are taxed no matter where the pensioner resides.
According to the OP, the wealthy are leaving the state. Most public employees are a far cry from wealthy. Get a reality check!
An average starting teacher's salary in Wisconsin is: $25,222
The average of all teachers, including those with many years experience is: : $46,390
I would hardly call these people wealthy. If teachers are buying expensive houses, it might be because they are married and have two incomes or perhaps they inherited money.
In my wealthy suburb of Dallas, we used to joke that it was very easy to tell the student parking lot from the teachers. The student parking lot had the Mercedes, BMW's etc, while the teachers had the beaters.
You are also woefully wrong about property taxes in WI vs Texas. We paid over 8000 dollars in property tax on a 300k house in Austin, TX. We paid close to 6000 dollars on a 200 k house in a suburb of Dallas.
An average starting teacher's salary in Wisconsin is: $25,222
The average of all teachers, including those with many years experience is: : $46,390
I would hardly call these people wealthy. If teachers are buying expensive houses, it might be because they are married and have two incomes or perhaps they inherited money.
A more useful tool for Wisconsinites who want to see what their teachers make is:
The Ohio version is a little bit better as it calculates the current value of pension and other post-retirement benefit plans.
Do realize that MOST databases only include their base salaries and not additional moneys received for other educational tests performed (drivers'
ed, coaching, etc.).
(built in 2008)3/2/2 on 1/3 acre on the golf course in Schertz, TX - Taxes of $2300
(built in 1932)3/1/2 on 1/4 acre in with neighbors crammed around in Burlington, WI - Taxes of $3600.
If you are retired, there is an exemption for over 65 in Texas. My mom pays about 30% of what she would if she were 64 in Cedar Park.
Not many of us have incomes that give us property values in the $200k to $300k. Must me nice to be rich. Of course, I'll take my simple living over haughty living any day! In Texas, $50k family income was very comfortable. In Wisconsin, it's almost poverty level.
That average for teachers salaries also incorporates the little burbs all over Wsconsin where people are still decent and cost of livings are not outrageous. Teachers don't need to make so much there. (Does this also include the private schools as well?) The metro areas around Madison and Milwaukee you can easily double that. The education you get for that is also half that that Texas offered. The teachers there ACTUALLY cared about kids.
One caveat, Dallas and Austin are basically yankee cities. It's kinda' hard for me to consider residents in the locales Texans. The Onion had it right. They need a wall around Austin when Texas finally secedes.
Jealous much, Jeepers. I would hardly say I'm rich, but compared to a teacher's salary I am. My husband makes well over a 100k. He works very hard for it as well, but so do teachers work very hard. I truly admire those caring people who spend their days working with my kids and others.
Your comparison of Texas schools to Wisconsin schools is laughable as well. Any comparison of test scores goes to Wisconsin by far. Texas is filled with failing schools. I was lucky to live in a wealthy suburb of Dallas where the schools were excellent. Of course, the teachers there were paid a much higher salary than in most districts because we could afford it. Teachers need to be paid a living wage. Or should we keep them below the poverty level? An income of 22k with four kids is considered poverty. I'm sure we would attract the best and the brightest then.
I don't think it's the weather. I'm guessing its the over taxation.
Ironically, the people running from this state are the over-paid public employees. They take and take from taxpayers and then run as soon as they can with their pensions in tow. .......
I think this comment from one of the articles deserves repeating as well:
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But it gets worse: using the same data website the Iowahawk used we learn that the average pay for elementary and secondary teachers are as follows:
Texas – $45,543/yr
Wisconsin – $49,730/yr out of which they have to pay state income tax AND $1,100 in union dues.
Comparing equally sized cities, a teacher earning $45,543/yr in San Antonio who moves to Milwaukee would have to earn $53,478/yr to have the same quality of living. Which proves out that high salaried states which are “closed shop” (union) states have a higher cost of living than our right-to-work state. Even comparing Austin to other cities in Wisconsin, a teacher would have to earn more than the WI average to have the same quality of living in any Wisconsin city.
Percentage of teachers in unions in Wisconsin: 98.2%
Percentage of non-union teachers in Texas: 98.2%
Now, consider this: In Texas, Hispanic students make up 30% of the student population, blacks make up 12%. Of those Hispanics students, many are unable to speak even basic English when starting kindergarten in Texas. Wisconsin, on the other hand, has a Hispanic student population of 4%, blacks also represent only 4%. So when Wisconsin brags about its high graduation rate, it is simply because those WI school districts do not face the challenges of the border states with non-English speaking students who are behind the curve their very first day of school.
'nough said.
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