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Old 04-02-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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Teaching isn't a "part-time job." It's a full-time job (40 hours or more per week) for part (most) of the year.
you should get a hold of the madison teachers and their union as their schedule has them only working for 9 months. I posted the link.

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All of the teachers I know are paid for 9 or 10 months only. They are not paid in the summers, unless they work in the summer.
I already addressed this in the previous math, using 8 months, then 9 months of work.

"unless they work in the summer"? so it's a seasonal job, where they get paid $70/hour for 8 months, then summers off. great gig, really. and can't be fired, can take a year off and come back to same job, etc.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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Election 2014 - County Board pay referendum easily passes
71% vs 29%
The lower compensation will save the county taxpayers nearly $500,000 a year.
Looks like the yes votes won, good!
that is good!!!! the political class needs to be trimmed back as they have turned into quite the parasites.

Infamous democrat machine chicago's aldercreatures:

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chicago aldermen and other elected city officials became eligible to receive up to 80 percent of the salary they earned during their last month of work. All other employees in the municipal pension plan including top managers receive 70 percent of their average monthly salary over the previous four years.

Aldermen can also reach the maximum benefit with just 20 years of service, compared with nearly 30 years for everyone else in the municipal pension plan.


Council members argue that they deserve to earn credit more quickly because they face re-election every four years. "Once you become (a city employee), you have to commit murder to lose your job. And an alderman can get tossed out in the next election," said Ald. Richard Mell, 33rd, who has been on the council for nearly four decades.


Data from the pension fund show that aldermen in the Tribune/WGN-TV analysis retired with an average of 25 years of service, roughly the same as the average retiree in the municipal pension plan.

The average payout to those aldermen is $81,000 a year. But because they can retire at 55 and their pensions grow by 3 percent compounded annually for the rest of their lives, the average amount will eventually increase to $165,000 a year.
The result is that many aldermen will end up making more in retirement than they did when they served on the council.


Generous rules govern aldermen's pensions - Chicago Tribune

those cash dollars don't include their bennies, just like teachers and other govt workers when they plead poverty and despair.


just salaries, can't find any under 100K/year (lavishbennies not included)
http://media.apps.chicagotribune.com...-salaries.html
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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That already exists, and it's called West Virginia.

It's a beautiful place in many ways, but it suffers from chronic poverty, addiction, mining accidents, environmental hazards, and so on.
west virginia has been ran by the democrat party since pre WWII. democrat rockafeller and klansman robert byrd have owned west virginia. It's owned by the democrat party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi..._West_Virginia

always amusing the dis/mis information the left puts out there.....and of course how they don't really seem to think through anything they constantly proclaim......
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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then the city of milwaukee should be booming and you should be happy. And the city of chicago, detroit, atlanta, new orleans, etc.
Only bigots who can't see either city beyond having a large black population compare Milwaukee and Detroit. I've lived in both and can tell you from personal experience (something I'm realizing you have in short supply) that even the worst neighborhoods of Milwaukee would be some of the better ones in Detroit, or Chicago's southside for that matter.

And yes, Milwaukee actually is doing quite well for itself, all things considered. The problem is, only one side of the freeway is benefitting; and it's transients from outstate reaping the rewards more than native Milwaukeeans. Not that I have a problem with transients... a lot of them are here to escape environments controlled by people with mentalities like yours. Unfortunately, a lot of others never fully let go of that small town mentality, which has a lot to do with why the city is only booming on one side of the freeway.

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they are all minority in population relative to the whole, so yeah. (think bell curve or look it up).
Oh, so you're not going to deny that you believe minorities deserve to be treated as second class citizens. Interesting.

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didn't you mention sustainability or some other strange thing? that's one of the eco crazy's babbling rants about 'the suburbs' and why everyone should use mass transit. swore you mentioned something about it, but don't care enough to look.
In other words, you don't want to confirm what an idiot you made yourself look like by being presumptive. Psychologists refer to what you're doing as "active ignorance."


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for that area, I'd have to say yes, you lived a very privileged school life.



Looks like you do live in the very white, very affluent, privileged urban enclave.
just looked on a yahoo map--yup, uwm is your neighborhood. Typical of milwaukee, huh.

that's the problem with leftists--they think the whole world is just like their little world.
LMAO... you couldn't possibly be less informed.

First of all, Riverside is at least 50% black. Granted, there are more white students at Riverside than at most MPS high schools, but I can assure you they don't make up 86% of the student body... I don't know where you got that asinine bit of misinformation, but I'm not aware of any MPS high school that's predominantly white.

Secondly, Riverside is a magnet high school that draws students from all over the city, not just the area surrounding it. Again, something you would know if you made a sincere effort to be informed, and didn't just seek confirmation of your presumptions.

Thirdly, the 53211 zipcode includes Shorewood, which skews the numbers. Something you would know if you were going off of actual experience with the area; instead of the stereotypes and agenda-driven presumptions that seem to be your thing.

Fourthly, I don't live in the 53211 zipcode. I also spent a good chunk of my formative years near Capitol Court, on the oh-so-dreaded Northside, where my sister and I were the only white kids on our block.

I think the recurring theme here is YOU DON'T KNOW ME. Stop trying to force me into your idiotic strawman labels.

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don't know any, but i think you want to go somewhere with whatever you are babbling about.
we could compare crime statistics, but there's not a lot of that here but the classic wisconsin drunk driver.
yesterday in the good weather, wife sat on the deck and listened to the wind through the pine trees and all the birds singing. there were no other sounds. she said it reminded her of being in the mountains again.


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you should try relaxing a bit. a certain, minority segment of the political spectrum (leftist, not democrat as not all democrats are leftists) are pretty much very angry and very intolerant.

and get out more, diversify who you interact with. big world out there.
My politics have nothing to do with the left-right spectrum, which I think is an asinine way to view politics. I also don't value tolerance. I don't think people should be intolerant either, but things like bigotry and ignorance... like the kind you're displaying... deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. But again, don't let the facts prevent you from checking your idiotic presumptions or anything.

Get out more and diversify? The only reason you believe most of the asinine bullcrap you do is because your life experience is obviously limited.

Angry? All right, I'll give you that one. It's hard not get pissed off at partisan hacks using willful ignorance, hatred, and outright lies as weapons, then getting whiny and judgmental the moment anyone fights back.

I'd love to be able to unwind by spending the day on my patio, but I have to work. Someone has to pay for the evil socialist programs like social security and medicare that are keeping you alive.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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west virginia has been ran by the democrat party since pre WWII. democrat rockafeller and klansman robert byrd have owned west virginia. It's owned by the democrat party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi..._West_Virginia

always amusing the dis/mis information the left puts out there.....and of course how they don't really seem to think through anything they constantly proclaim......

Wow. Now, I know you're being disingenuous, because you know, and we all know, that the Southern Democratic party of yesteryear is the Republican Party of today. Just like the Republic party of Lincoln's time is the Democratic party of today. No one with a clue debates that.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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You're trying hard to stick to your terminology--your peculiar definition of "part-time work" and such-- in order to make clear your discontent that teachers don't have 9-5 jobs 52 weeks of the year. But distortions are distortions, and in your case we can call it "Miltspeak."


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you should get a hold of the madison teachers and their union as their schedule has them only working for 9 months. I posted the link.


I already addressed this in the previous math, using 8 months, then 9 months of work.

"unless they work in the summer"? so it's a seasonal job, where they get paid $70/hour for 8 months, then summers off. great gig, really. and can't be fired, can take a year off and come back to same job, etc.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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west virginia has been ran by the democrat party since pre WWII. democrat rockafeller and klansman robert byrd have owned west virginia. It's owned by the democrat party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi..._West_Virginia

always amusing the dis/mis information the left puts out there.....and of course how they don't really seem to think through anything they constantly proclaim......
I wasn't making a point about Democrats or Republicans: Both Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals can be stupid and have done stupid things. Did you miss that lesson in your civics class?

You haven't thought that through, apparently. You must be a leftist, right?
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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is illinois a city? california a city? is michigan a city? is west virginia a city? is new york state a city? etc.
these are states that have long been bastions of the democrat party, so enough time has progressed to make them into a democrat paradise. i'm sure there are others, but no matter what, you're too myopic and too much of a leftist to see anything but what you proclaim.

The last Democratic governor of the Democratic paradise of Michigan left the residents of that state with a 15% unemployment rate.
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Old 04-02-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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Milt,

I have seen a couple of comments you made about teachers in WI retiring at 50 & 51 which is not correct. I'm not a teacher but I do know about the WI retirement system. WI has two main listings for public workers; Protective (police & Fire) and General which teachers fall into. The max. retirement for Protective employees is 65% of their three highest years earnings; for general workers the max is 70% of their three highest years earnings.

GENERAL Classified employee's- The minimum age a general employee can retire at is 55 but they would take a penalty for not being at least 57. The next thing is even if they retired at 57, they are not likely to have reached a full retirement. The multiplier used to figure a general workers retirement is 1.6 x the years of service. A teacher would have to work 43.75 years to reach the full retirement pay out which could be as high as 70% of their three highest years earning. The retirement calculation pay outs are on wages only, the benefits package is not used to calculate retirement, if it was the retirement pay would be higher.

PROTECTIVE Classified employee's- The minimum age for retirement can be 50 but there is large reduction from the earned retirement benefit unless they are 53 and have 25 years of service. For a protective classified employee to reach the full 65% pay out, they have to be at least 53 and have 32.5 years of service.

The last numbers I saw on the average retirement pays for the WI retirement system placed the average age at 60 and the average pay out at $2000. per month. These numbers would be approaching two years old so not to far outdated.

Please note I did not post this to be rude in an way I just wished to correct some information which was not correct.
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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The first question: migration trends to the north were what they were. African Americans are a minority to the tune of slightly more than 13%. The southeast portion of the U.S. still has the largest concentration of black people in this country to this day.
When some of them moved north looking for work, it was inevitable that some towns would get overlooked. I think that's the biggest reason right there.

Considering what you yourself are saying about racial problems in Milwaukee, I refuse to believe they moved to Milwaukee because of the warm reception they received there. Instead, I think it had more to do with more jobs being in places like Milwaukee and many of those other old industrial southeast Wisconsin towns.
In the 1800's, Milwaukee was home to what was realistically the primary black community in Wisconsin. Just my theory: when others started coming up to look for work, perhaps it's where they went trying to minimize discrimination.
So yeah, I suppose you can trace much of Wisconsin's demographic makeup partially to racial discrimination, but it began long, long ago and modern Wisconsinites shouldn't have to bear all the blame for their ancestor's sins. When the tide started to change for the better, the migration back to the south had already begun.
It is what it is, and I see no point in lamenting the lack of diversity in "up north" at this point in history. That ship has sailed.
Hispanics on the other hand, have been migrating into new territory (for them) in more recent years in places like you've mentioned. Take comfort in the fact that these new people in modern times in modern Wisconsin (and every other state I can think of) have had relatively little trouble moving in and have faced minimal discrimination, especially when compared to what they would have had to deal with 100 years ago. It's not all perfect, of course.

As for the coincidences, yeah, I think coincidence plays a part, but not 100%
Racial discrimination plays a part, but it's not a one way street.

Just a wild guess here, but when a black person living on the north side decides to move, I doubt they have their sights set on Menomonee Falls. Try Chicago for starters, but more likely places like Atlanta or Dallas.
Again, you have to consider the times and the trends. I doubt the pasty-white counties around Milwaukee will ever be anything but, because white suburbanites are about the only ones drawn to such a place on any significant scale. Especially that far north. Nashville would be a different story.
I also doubt that Milwaukee and it's surrounding areas could do anything differently to integrate it more unless the migration trend somehow reverses. Otherwise, it's just going to be slow and steady like it has been, and will probably start to move into outlying areas at some point, but not very quickly.
That part of the world is appealing mostly to winter-loving weirdos like myself and possibly Urban Hipsters who think Chicago is too ironic.
Thanks for the reply, but I really think you're misunderstanding my issue... I only brought up the overwhelming whiteness outstate as a symptom of a bigger problem. I don't need every town in Wisconsin to be 13% Black, 14% Latino, and whatever; I just need them to not be so insular, ignorant, and dismissive towards the concerns of people from walks of life other than their own. I need them to stop propagating the myth of inner city people being lazy and immoral when they've never even spent so much as a week in an inner city neighborhood. I need them to have the courtesy of keeping their mouths shut when the discussion is about solutions for a problem they know is far removed from anything they've ever experienced.

I really don't think I'm asking too much... most of these things fall under the umbrella of not being a terrible human being.

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And... internet autonomy is a dirty little thing sometimes. Not just the JS, but you can go to just about any major paper and read the comments.... oh boy. Anyway, some require you to sign up and use "real names", which cuts down on it a little of it. Just a little.
I understand that, but the fact remains that a lot of people who live in our area actually feel that way.

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