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Old 03-23-2014, 09:13 PM
 
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Private business would never work under a Union agreement for "professionals." Generic Labor yes - but not professionals in positions where individual results can be measured. The reason is that the higher your productivity, the higher your compensation demand. This is the best method to improve oneself. Earn it based on individual merit and result!
You're wrong. Boeing's aeronautical engineers have a union.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:28 PM
 
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What demand to move to WI????????????????????????? Wisconsin isn't a stat with a made rush of new residents moving in. WI has been a 'brain drain' state going on for over 25 years now.
All of Dane County, including most towns outside of Madison, have seen high percentage growth increases. I think Sun Prairie has seen an 8-10% population increase since 2010. The growth around that area is almost unbelievable.
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Old 03-24-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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I go back to Wisconsin every year or two. Every year I'm shocked how far Madison's construction along the west corridor has spread. I moved there in 95 and 20 years later it's like a different city, or a new city has been added on. The growth is incredible.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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I go back to Wisconsin every year or two. Every year I'm shocked how far Madison's construction along the west corridor has spread. I moved there in 95 and 20 years later it's like a different city, or a new city has been added on. The growth is incredible.

What about the rest of the state?
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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You're wrong. Boeing's aeronautical engineers have a union.

It is a weak union. It is well known the only way to increase your pay at Boeing is to quit and hire back in a few years later for a higher salary.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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What about the rest of the state?

Don't spend enough time in it to comment, really. I visit Reedsburg and La Crosse a bit, and they don't seem to change too much.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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What about the rest of the state?

The Fox Valley cities, Milwaukee, Eau Claire, Wausau, LaCrosse, and southeast Wisconsin all have slow and steady rates of growth. Most of the rural areas have declining growth like many other rural areas of the US. The quickfacts census site will give you a bit more info on a county by county basis.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:43 PM
 
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What demand to move to WI????????????????????????? Wisconsin isn't a stat with a made rush of new residents moving in. WI has been a 'brain drain' state going on for over 25 years now.
Not true from the data I've seen. People that are retiring often will go to lower tax places, but people are moving here--and back here--for a better quality of life. I don't know where the brain drain idea came from, unless it was some organization wanting more government money for schools or something.


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A study conducted by the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute showed 62 percent of respondents perceived a “brain drain” at UW, UW spokesperson David Giroux said. However, according to Giroux, that perception is falsely concluded, as the numbers from a UW Alumni study reports, debunking the notion of a brain drain.
“Simply put, eight out of 10 Wisconsin graduates stay [in Wisconsin],” Giroux said. “That is not the kind of brain drain people think. …We are holding on to a good proportion.”


The Badger Herald · Report conflicts UW's brain drain perception - The Badger Herald

But this just states "graduates", not residents. Lot's of people in other states send their kids to the uw system because it's cheaper.





Here's an interesting map:

Restless America: state-to-state migration in 2012 | vizynary

Illinois is bleeding people, but their govt writes bad checks, so why stay there.
California, NY and NJ were also having more people move out than move in, NY almost double.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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In your opinion, how much should school teachers in Wisconsin be paid?
A lot less than they should be in their union contracts. There's no reason why a grade school teacher should be making 100K for 8 months of work. Or a high school gym teacher. Or.....

Teachers have turned into an economic elite, true 1 percenters, making disproportionally more than the communities they serve....and pays them through paying their property taxes. One of the tricks they realized is to get a masters, then their pay takes a big bump up, but it's not needed for their profession.

And this isn't even counting the double dippers, the ones that retired before Gov. Walkers reforms hit, then went back to their same job, drawing a pension and a new check for working their same job at their same desk......
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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What about the rest of the state?
Depends upon where as the manufacturing industry is changing and WI is recovering from a very anti-business governance in the last administrations. More businesses will start to flee IL and go to IN and WI. Recreational and farming areas have always been tuff markets.

Madison has always been called "recession proof" because madison's economic engine is government, coming in from the rest of the states or federal going to the state. It's sort of a place to launder taxpayer money if ya think about it. And with government becoming more and more in control of more and more of a persons life and their community and their place of work and recreation, more and more government will be needed, thus grow.
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