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Old 08-07-2015, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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Articles from the LaCrosse newspaper always seem to have a bias. That editorial board clearly does not like Walker.

In reading the article, it seems like a non-event. There is no fear positions will be not filled before school year starts. People leave jobs - it's actually a good thing sometimes.

For those that desire going into the profession, they should be happy: higher demand = higher pay.

Further the last sentence is not logical. "Wycoff-Horn said rural schools are most likely feeling this problem more than urban schools because of less funding."
Seems to be a different issue - no funding means no position. That is not the same as approved position w/no applicants.

Anyway - if there is one thing learned from 50 plus yrs on this planet: Those associated with public education are NEVER happy nor satisfied.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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More trouble with the education in WI: a teacher and money shortage.

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In a letter addressed to Gov. Scott Walker and state legislators, 35 principals from southern Wisconsin have decried state budget measures they say underfund education and wrest local control from districts.

Some area superintendents had been outspoken about the need for adequate education funding during state budget negotiations this spring. But the joint letter from high school principals underscores concerns — at the school building level — about the reduced power of school boards to control issues such as curriculum and funding.
Principals decry loss of funding, local control under Scott Walker

The letter:
http://media.jrn.com/documents/principalsletter.pdf
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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More trouble with the education in WI: a teacher and money shortage.


Principals decry loss of funding, local control under Scott Walker

The letter:
http://media.jrn.com/documents/principalsletter.pdf
Seems like the "tools" Walker and the GOP gave to school districts with Act 10 haven't really helped (go figure). Here's a followup from one of the principals who signed that letter: Principal Discusses Why He Signed Letter To Walker About School Funding Concerns | Wisconsin Public Radio
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Portland OR
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More trouble with the education in WI: a teacher and money shortage.


Principals decry loss of funding, local control under Scott Walker

The letter:
http://media.jrn.com/documents/principalsletter.pdf

Did you READ your articles??
They offer nothing of substance or example!

Pure rhetoric - Even if a legislature wanted to take up their cause, it would be difficult.

Essentially what these Principals are saying is "Give us More $ - don't ask questions. We know how to spend the taxpayer $ better than anyone else.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Did you READ your articles??
They offer nothing of substance or example!

Pure rhetoric - Even if a legislature wanted to take up their cause, it would be difficult.

Essentially what these Principals are saying is "Give us More $ - don't ask questions. We know how to spend the taxpayer $ better than anyone else.
Of course I read it. The "pure rhetoric" comes from Walker who repeatedly says he wants to put the power back in the hand of the people at the local level, yet Walker's policies do the exact opposite.

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"The people in local communities have far less voice today than they did only a few decades ago," the letter states, saying that school boards have less power now to make policy, funding and testing decisions.
Principals decry loss of funding, local control under Scott Walker
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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Did you READ your articles??
They offer nothing of substance or example!

Pure rhetoric - Even if a legislature wanted to take up their cause, it would be difficult.

Essentially what these Principals are saying is "Give us More $ - don't ask questions. We know how to spend the taxpayer $ better than anyone else.
What exactly is your problem with teachers? Were you not yourself taught by teachers? Didn't teachers teach your kids? Did you do badly in school or fail out? I mean, I can't imagine why one would have such hostility towards a group of people who have been paramount, aside from their parents, in guiding you through your life into adulthood.
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Some reasons for teacher shortages across the nation.

- teacher burnout
- lack of respect for the teaching profession
- parents have changed & are harder to work with. See link below. Years ago at parent teacher conferences, when a child had a bad grade the parent would look at the child to fix the problem. Now a large number of parents will look at the teacher & solely blame the teacher for the kids poor grade.

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/...hers-comic.jpg
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Some reasons for teacher shortages across the nation.

- teacher burnout
- lack of respect for the teaching profession
- parents have changed & are harder to work with. See link below. Years ago at parent teacher conferences, when a child had a bad grade the parent would look at the child to fix the problem. Now a large number of parents will look at the teacher & solely blame the teacher for the kids poor grade.

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/...hers-comic.jpg
Not a timely plan for Walker to attack teachers, bring down their unions, and compare them to ISIS.
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: East TX
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Compensation for teachers has been woefully inadequate forever. The problem, as others have mentioned is now the responsibility for a childs failures are dumped on the teacher rather than the personal responsibility of the child or the parents. Too many parents want the educational system to raise their kids rather than teach them.

While the long-tern effect of the changes in WI are yet to be seen, it should be recognized that the job market there sucks regardless of the field you are in for the most part. After being a lifelong resident for most of my life, I relocated the whole fam damily to a place where making a living and planning a retirement isn't a fantasy. It still can happen.
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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What exactly is your problem with teachers? Were you not yourself taught by teachers? Didn't teachers teach your kids? Did you do badly in school or fail out? I mean, I can't imagine why one would have such hostility towards a group of people who have been paramount, aside from their parents, in guiding you through your life into adulthood.

Where on earth do you get the idea that I have a problem with teachers? I have a problem with emotional pablum being put forth as a rational argument.

Look - think for yourself and cut though noise. Don't get suckered into emotional drivel like so many on this board do.

Reread the articles and point out any facts.


I throw your question right back at you - what exactly is your problem with critical thought? Just because some point of view comes from a teacher group, doesn't automatically make it valid.
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