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Old 04-11-2018, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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Actually as insane as your comment is. For most of population it is probably true.
You asked for facts why someone doesn't like Ryan and Walker. What facts would you accept? The fact is the poster doesn't like them. Do you mean what reason do they not like Walker and Ryan?

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Old 04-14-2018, 11:40 AM
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Location: North Monterey County
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.....and Ryan is OUT.. never to return again!'

Walker is next.
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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"The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency."

It's going to take a lot of winning to get back to democrat control of the country. Why would you want Walker out? seems to me the state is in great shape?

Last time the Democrats controlled the state, Doyle did a lousy job. Why would you want to put a Democrat in charge of the state again?

Face it, you cannot make a good argument why Scott Walker should be fired from his position as Governor.
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Portland OR
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You asked for facts why someone doesn't like Ryan and Walker. What facts would you accept? The fact is the poster doesn't like them. Do you mean what reason do they not like Walker and Ryan?
Yes. Actual fact based reasons they dislike Walker.

It would be nice if Walker, Trump, Ryan haters put forth Facts (on anything) but they seem to not be able to articulate with real world data. 99% of the time Walker haters are on line spouting off with insane emotional rhetoric. That's seems to be all they have.

Just once it would be nice to see something with data regarding a position that actually supports their whining.

But you wont see it. All you will see are comments like:
"He doesn't care about the environment"
"He hates teachers"
"He supports racist policies"
"He's destroying the state"

blah blah blah.

You said it correctly though, We elect people we like (popularity contest), not what they say they will or won't do. There probably is much truth to that.
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:37 PM
 
Location: WI/MN resident
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"The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency."

It's going to take a lot of winning to get back to democrat control of the country. Why would you want Walker out? seems to me the state is in great shape?

Last time the Democrats controlled the state, Doyle did a lousy job. Why would you want to put a Democrat in charge of the state again?

Face it, you cannot make a good argument why Scott Walker should be fired from his position as Governor.
You seriously think this state is in good shape under Scott Walker, that a democrat would crash our economy??? Think again.

Gov. Dayton raised taxes on the rich, invested in education, and expanded collective bargaining, while Walker busted unions, slashed education, and redistributed income and wealth to the richest 1%.

Currently we ARE having issues with infrastructure. The transportation budget is deep in debt, and the ruling republicans can’t decide on how to fund new road repairs. Nobody wants to raise taxes of any kind, Walker wants to borrow more money (effectively kicking the can down the road), others want to levy commercial fees, and nobody can agree, and while that’s going on the roads and bridges are in rough shape and major construction projects are in danger of grinding to a halt. That ain’t great.

The big anti-union push at the beginning of his tenure has led to a slow exodus of state employees. That may not seem like a big deal, and if you’re a small government fan then that’s exactly what you want. Problem is, they’re taking decades of institutional knowledge with them, and a lot of the tasks they performed still need to get done - can’t stop printing drivers licenses for a few weeks because until somebody learns how to run the database. More-expensive contractors and consultants are often needed and that costs a lot of money.

Environmental cuts and changes have made some people happy; farmers, some tourism businesses, etc are all pleased that pesky regulations have been done away with, so they can have large docks at their resorts or high-capacity wells for irrigation. However, again, the long-term effects aren’t visible yet and they could be pretty detrimental. High-cap wells may mean increased corn production in the short term…but lower tourism dollars as lakes start lowering and lower production later as the local aquifers deplete faster than they can be replenished. Tourism revenue may briefly increase as resorts and lodges put in more lakeside amenities…but then drop off long-term as shoreline erosion turns lakes into mud puddles. Lack of boat inspections may make things easier for fishermen going from lake to lake…but will be less effective in stopping the spread of lake-killing diseases like VHF or invasives like zebra mussels and asian carp.

He has no class, he’s a liar, and he passed a law to keep people from investigating him (self incrimination much?) and tried to halt spec ial elections.

In my book, his worst crime is to the educational legacy of Wisconsin.

He cut a world class collegiate institution that was affordable for many instate kids by 500 Million so that everyone could have an extra $75 on their tax returns. Many teachers left, many grants were dropped, and slowly but surely Wisconsin will begin a dark ascent to the depths of Education like Mississippi. The gross income of many Wisconsinites does not allow them to afford private schools. Cutting some of the best assets to our state will only increase brain drain and discourage companies to relocate here.

It’s inane, short sighted, and disgusting what has been done to education.

On the other side, Wisconsin has socialist policies that haven’t been maintenanced (i.e. they were written in the 1960’s and were not amended) and needed to be cut. Unions were controlling huge swaths of industry which led to inferior products and lack of change. The way that they were strong armed though has been detrimental to the morality of the state and uncouth. It divided and shamed us. Not really a win.

If you compare Wisconsin to Minnesota, you see the divergence of two ways of thinking. One, a Democrat raised taxes on the rich and dumped money into the school systems and public works. Guess who has a surplus, young people are flocking to it’s center, and something of a renaissance?

The other is filled with fear mongering people, bitter at their neighbors, a decline in any industry, and the slowest to recover from the recession? A deep divide where the books are shuffled to make paydays for those who are profiting anyway.

Wisconsin’s university system has also been under attack causing many top research scientists to leave and go elsewhere. He's very divisive. He treats Madison as if it’s out of touch, yet Madison is the tech engine that drives the state’s economy. "The last thing we need is more Madison in our lives," asserted our lovely governor Scott Walker. He's supposed to represent ALL Wisconsin citizens, yet persists in his "divide and conquer" tactic by treating Madison as its own seperate entity. He did the same thing with Milwaukee in 2012.

I could go on and on. Why do republicans think THIS is a good economy? There's a reason red states have the most dismal education systems.
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Old 04-14-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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Yes. Actual fact based reasons they dislike Walker.

It would be nice if Walker, Trump, Ryan haters put forth Facts (on anything) but they seem to not be able to articulate with real world data. 99% of the time Walker haters are on line spouting off with insane emotional rhetoric. That's seems to be all they have.

Just once it would be nice to see something with data regarding a position that actually supports their whining.

But you wont see it. All you will see are comments like:
"He doesn't care about the environment"
"He hates teachers"
"He supports racist policies"
"He's destroying the state"

blah blah blah.

You said it correctly though, We elect people we like (popularity contest), not what they say they will or won't do. There probably is much truth to that.
And yet, in all of this , you haven't presented a single fact yet as to why Walker should remain in office.

Walker and his minions, including the state Supreme Court, are incredibly corrupt, and will do anything to gerrymand, or rig an election.

During his aborted presidential campaign, he actually compared striking teachers to ISIS. What a simple- minded boob, a supremely corrupt lightweight..
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Old 04-14-2018, 06:26 PM
 
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And yet, in all of this , you haven't presented a single fact yet as to why Walker should remain in office.

Walker and his minions, including the state Supreme Court, are incredibly corrupt, and will do anything to gerrymand, or rig an election.

During his aborted presidential campaign, he actually compared striking teachers to ISIS. What a simple- minded boob, a supremely corrupt lightweight..
Not surprising, since he’s a college dropout from Delavan (LOL).
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Old 04-15-2018, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Yes. Actual fact based reasons they dislike Walker.

It would be nice if Walker, Trump, Ryan haters put forth Facts (on anything) but they seem to not be able to articulate with real world data. 99% of the time Walker haters are on line spouting off with insane emotional rhetoric. That's seems to be all they have.

Just once it would be nice to see something with data regarding a position that actually supports their whining.

But you wont see it. All you will see are comments like:
"He doesn't care about the environment"
"He hates teachers"
"He supports racist policies"
"He's destroying the state"

blah blah blah.
Oh my. Are you serious? Come on. Yes, of course, there are a lot of generic pronouncements here on city-data and elsewhere. Many of them are left-leaning and many of them are right-leaning. (Conservatives are known for statements such as "Liberals hate America" and "Lefties don't care about average people" and so on and so forth. Evidently, it's "whining" when lefties do it, but it's acceptable when conservatives do it.)

But seriously, do you need to go back through the hundreds of threads and posts in which specifics are mentioned? Seriously? Or have you forgotten that people (at all places on the spectrum) who make such pronouncements probably have specific reasons for doing so, but do not always feel the need to dredge them up, as doing so would be repetitive?

Even you have responded (in other threads) to requests for facts with statements such as "I'm not writing a doctoral thesis."

C'mon folks, regardless of whatever political side you're on, try to give people the benefit of the doubt. And if you disagree, don't have a hissy fit: be patient and try to educate. And if it really helps with memory recall, here are some "facts" that I've culled from these pages over the months and years:

"He doesn't care about the environment" Yes, it's an overwrought statement, but it is a fact that the current administration has promoted policies that roll back environmental protections. Protections for wetlands have been scaled back, the educational and scientific branches of the DNR have been drastically slimmed, public funding for state parks has been eliminated, etc. This doesn't mean Walker doesn't care about the environment, but it does suggest that it isn't such a big priority for him and his allies.

"He hates teachers" An exaggeration, to be sure, but remember Act 10? Yeah, that. Many people saw that as a declaration of war against public school teachers. Right-wing media demonized teachers and public university professors, and that is still going on. Walker and his allies have been pushing for more charter schools, which pay their teachers substantially less than what public school teachers tend to make (which, on the whole, is not a superstar salary for most). So yeah, the pronouncement is a bit much, but a lot of people--including many teachers--felt that they were being targeted. You may not agree, but that perception exists.

"He supports racist policies" Some people believe that Voter I.D. laws intentionally suppress minority voting. Many people believe that the state GOP's version of gerrymandering is historically extreme and suppresses the minority vote. These maneuvers can thus be seen as "racist policies." It doesn't mean they are, but some have this perception. I don't see Walker and Co. trying to do things to counter these perceptions, but maybe Scott and Robin Vos are out there every day, shaking hands with Blacks and Hispanics. Or maybe not.

"He's destroying the state" Sure, a bit histrionic, but some people who love certain things about Wisconsin--its environmental heritage, its "live and let live" mentality, its pioneering role in secondary and higher education--have seen huge changes with Walker. In many respects, it's just a reformulation of the old balancing act between business/private interests and public interests/programs. We're told that less environmental protection is good for business in the state; fewer unions are good for "job creators"; charter schools are "good for competition" in the educational arena; less funding for schools and universities forces admins to allocate money to "important" programs and to starve "undeserving" programs; the current gerrymandering is merely a modern expression of an old bipartisan tradition; Voter I.D. laws merely make sure that voters are who they say they are; and so on. There are always at least two sides to a story. But some people feel that the essence of what is good and worthwhile about Wisconsin has been lost during Walker's regime. You can agree or disagree, but some people believe that, and yes, they do have reasons for it--even if the reasons are not articulated every single time.

Ultimately, maybe it's a good idea for us all to remember that regardless of who is "whining" or pronouncing, they are human and have reasons (and even "facts") for doing so. This is true of the "sky is falling" lefties as well as of the "Make America Great Again" conservatives. People need to listen to each other more, not less, and we could all stand to be have more empathy for each other.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: SE WI
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Walker was wrong about not enforcing Act 10 for the fire and law enforcement employees. He is wrong with this latest $100 refund for every child. He was wrong with the measly cuts made to the UW system with their hundreds of high paid professors that only teach 1 class per semester. But he will get my vote again for the 5th time.


And I really hope this blue wave screaming stuff picks up steam.
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Walker was wrong about not enforcing Act 10 for the fire and law enforcement employees. He is wrong with this latest $100 refund for every child. He was wrong with the measly cuts made to the UW system with their hundreds of high paid professors that only teach 1 class per semester. But he will get my vote again for the 5th time.


And I really hope this blue wave screaming stuff picks up steam.
Ask yourself how many ‘high paid’ professors you know personally. It’s a minority, I can assure you.
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