IL fiscal crisis (Milwaukee, Madison, Friendship: best cities, schools, place to live)

[ram2]

Originally Posted by brrabbit

And I've read that Walker is killing universities here in WI.

How so? The in-state tuition for UW-Madison for state residents is still reasonable for a flagship university. Contrast that with the University of Michigan, for example, which is on the brink of being unaffordable for the state's middle class.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by ram2

How so? The in-state tuition for UW-Madison for state residents is still reasonable for a flagship university. Contrast that with the University of Michigan, for example, which is on the brink of being unaffordable for the state's middle class.

Dropping out of the top 5 in research Universities for the first time in decades due to budget cuts.


Documented shortcomings in failures on faculty recruitment due to budget uncertainty and attracts on the culture.


U Michigan is still affordable for in state middle class students.


I'm a UW Madison alum (grad school) and it was a good program, but UW can only wish it was U Mich.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Dropping out of the top 5 in research Universities for the first time in decades due to budget cuts.


Documented shortcomings in failures on faculty recruitment due to budget uncertainty and attracts on the culture.


U Michigan is still affordable for in state middle class students.


I'm a UW Madison alum (grad school) and it was a good program, but UW can only wish it was U Mich.

U of M tuition out of control. Double digit increases year after year.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by ram2

U of M tuition out of control. Double digit increases year after year.

Please, its 15-17k with fees for in state students. That's a freaking bargain, esp for a top tier school. It would have been a bargain 10 years ago.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Please, its 15-17k with fees for in state students. That's a freaking bargain, esp for a top tier school. It would have been a bargain 10 years ago.

What is the in-state tuition at University of Wisconsin-Madison? Much less than $17K per year and still a top tier school.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by ram2

What is the in-state tuition at University of Wisconsin-Madison? Much less than $17K per year and still a top tier school.

UW is less, and it isn't as good a school as Michigan. UW is top tier, for a public school (lets not get ahead of ourselves) and that's mainly built on the grad program reputation. UW is a great value overall. But both schools are more than affordable for middle class families. Both are bargains in fact for the quality of education received. Lets hope that UW's reputation doesn't continue the decline it has been experiencing though.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by timberline742

UW is less, and it isn't as good a school as Michigan. UW is top tier, for a public school (lets not get ahead of ourselves) and that's mainly built on the grad program reputation. UW is a great value overall. But both schools are more than affordable for middle class families. Both are bargains in fact for the quality of education received. Lets hope that UW's reputation doesn't continue the decline it has been experiencing though.

The University of Michigan is also a public school.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by ram2

The University of Michigan is also a public school.

No freaking duh. All B10 schools except Northwestern are. We all know that.

Let me connect the dots for you:


Michigan is an excellent school. Period. Undergraduate and grad programs are top notch.


UW is a very good school for a public school. It's grad programs are often excellent.


UW is NOT Michigan, and I'm saying this as a UW alum. No way I or many of my peers would have gotten into Michigan.

[guidoLaMoto]

State of American Education? Well, let's see:
The Big 10 has 14 schools in it and of Three R's, only one of 'em starts with an R.


What constitutes a "good school?" It seems to me you don't need Linus Pauling to teach you first year chemistry, nor Einstein to teach you calculus. Under-grad is self education, and could be done at home with a good textbook.


Do we really need more of UW research that has improved genetics & nutrition of dairy cattle so much that we now have a glut of milk with dairy farmers going broke and soon we'll have no milk at all as they all go out of business? Or the world renowned meteorology dept that's so involved in the hoax of AGW?


UW has a $2.8Billion endowment. They should be paying WI taxpayers a dividend.

[DougStark]

Originally Posted by timberline742

No, not it isn't.
Universities can't spend money at their discretion.
Most of the money is tied up in endowments with strict gift terms.
Lots of times they have the money, and it can't even be spent so the money and the interest generated from it can't be spent at all because the gift terms are so restrictive.


And NY and CA are still two of the most desirable places to live. No lack of number of people trying to get there. The people leaving are those that can't compete and afford it, but they're being replaced by people who can.

WRONG. For starters, NYC metro may be going strong, but upstate NY is seriously faultering economically. Haven't you seen all of the TV advertising done by the State of NY on TV encouraging businesses to relocate there? (upstate.) The State of IL would probably not even attempt this type of recruitment--who would want to move to IL? haha

Quite a strange assessment of CA you make. Have you ever lived there? The middle-class family households are leaving the state in great numbers for TX, CO, AZ and many others. Primarily, but not entirely, due to the sky-high housing costs. But you say "they can't compete?" You sound like a snob.