Wisconsin a swing state? (Milwaukee: live in, suburbs, racist)

[crazyme4878]

Wisconsin 2006 populatino estimates by region (from Wisconsin DHS site)
20 y.o. and above, due to how the split the age groups, I couldn't include 18 and 19 y.o.

Northeastern: 898,295
Northern: 373,292
Southeastern: 1,496,413
Southern: 796,783
Western: 561,190

It didn't say where the regional splits were exactly.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

Thank God the state's large urban centers cancel out the rural redneck vote.

How nonjudgmental, open-minded and progressive of you.

[crazyme4878]

Originally Posted by Drover

How nonjudgmental, open-minded and progressive of you.

Yes, I have to agree... absolutely no educated, reasoned people living north of Madison... But as one can see from the DHS's population tallies, the two areas equal each other out. Now, I will add in NE WI to SE WI, since for some reason these areas are not "redneck rural," even though the poster probably would have considered them so 15 years ago, when Appleton didn't proceed past the old Kmart building on College, and past the river on the other side. I will clump the rest of the regions into the "redneck rural vote," even though Superior, Eau Claire, Menomonee, and LaCrosse with all vie with the size of Appleton or Green Bay in some way (not to mention Hudson and River Falls playing suburb to the Twin Cities, which must certainly compare to other suburbs in the civilized SE), so:

2,394708 NE and SE Wisconsin
1,731265 the Rest of Wisconsin

Adding in NE WI does put this region's possible voting body higher, but only by 700,000. Doesn't quite cancel out. If you take out NE (which includes quite a lot of rural redneck areas), SE WI is at a minority.

Actually, I don't know why I'm getting involved in this debate.... let them believe they are smarter and more powerful....

[Badger]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

I grew up in Appleton and they are extremely conservative in and around the Fox Cities and Green Bay. Lots of Jesus fish and Pro-Life bumper stickers, not so many "Free Tibet" or "Stop The Oil War" bumper stickers like you see in Madison or Milwaukee.

this is so true, was shocked when I moved up there at how consistently conservative people were. I've never seen so many Jesus fish stickers in my life in one area!

No offense to your hometown but I'm glad I'm out, I found the people in the valley to be some of the rudest people I've ever encountered, esp. behind the wheel. Road Rage is a pasttime in the Fox Valley.

[jjacobeclark]

Originally Posted by crazyme4878

Yes, I have to agree... absolutely no educated, reasoned people living north of Madison... But as one can see from the DHS's population tallies, the two areas equal each other out. Now, I will add in NE WI to SE WI, since for some reason these areas are not "redneck rural," even though the poster probably would have considered them so 15 years ago, when Appleton didn't proceed past the old Kmart building on College, and past the river on the other side. I will clump the rest of the regions into the "redneck rural vote," even though Superior, Eau Claire, Menomonee, and LaCrosse with all vie with the size of Appleton or Green Bay in some way (not to mention Hudson and River Falls playing suburb to the Twin Cities, which must certainly compare to other suburbs in the civilized SE), so:

2,394708 NE and SE Wisconsin
1,731265 the Rest of Wisconsin

Adding in NE WI does put this region's possible voting body higher, but only by 700,000. Doesn't quite cancel out. If you take out NE (which includes quite a lot of rural redneck areas), SE WI is at a minority.

Actually, I don't know why I'm getting involved in this debate.... let them believe they are smarter and more powerful....

Not quite sure how you're coming to these conclusions. I would have added Western (LaCrosse, Eau Claire), Southern (Madison, Beloit), and Southeastern (Milwaukee, Kenosha) regions together to get 2,854,386 people. Versus the Northeastern (Green Bay, Appleton) region added to the Northern (Wausau, Marinette) region to equal only 1,271,587 people.

You are in complete denial if you don't think the Fox Valley/Green Bay Region is conservative.

[crazyme4878]

I never said that the Fox Valley wasn't conservative. It is extremely conservative.

LaCrosse would be southern, Eau Claire western. Madison and Milwaukee combine to be SE. I can't speak for SW Wis., but Eau Claire and north definately have a different political climate then SE Wis. I added in the possibility of adding the Fox Valley to the SE voting block because they are so conservative, like Milwaukee and to add some credit to the previous poster's comment about the urban areas having an overwhelming population in compared to the rural areas. And although Eau Claire and LaCrosse are large cities for the areas they in, they are not in reality.

Again, I don't know where the DHS drew their regional lines, but what I stated above is how Wisconsin's regions are commonly drawn up.

[jjacobeclark]

Originally Posted by crazyme4878

I never said that the Fox Valley wasn't conservative. It is extremely conservative.

LaCrosse would be southern, Eau Claire western. Madison and Milwaukee combine to be SE. I can't speak for SW Wis., but Eau Claire and north definately have a different political climate then SE Wis. I added in the possibility of adding the Fox Valley to the SE voting block because they are so conservative, like Milwaukee and to add some credit to the previous poster's comment about the urban areas having an overwhelming population in compared to the rural areas. And although Eau Claire and LaCrosse are large cities for the areas they in, they are not in reality.

Again, I don't know where the DHS drew their regional lines, but what I stated above is how Wisconsin's regions are commonly drawn up.

It is quite hard to decipher the gibberish you type on here. LaCrosse is considered Western Wisconsin, it lies on the Mississippi River the western border of the state.

Madison is not considered part of Southeastern Wisconsin. It is South Central.

The entire Fox Valley area only accounts for 350,000 people. The city of Milwaukee exceeds 600,000 people just in the city limits.

It may hurt your feelings that your vote doesn't count because of the large populations of Madison and Milwaukee. Get over it. That is the system we have. Unless a couple million conservatives are suddenly compelled to move North, that is how it will always be. I live in Colorado, I know my vote for Obama won't count because I live in Red State America. I would love to see the Electoral College dissolved so true democracy can reign. The East and West Coasts alone would guarantee a liberal paradise.

[conservativenewi]

I did want to point out for people that do not know the fox valley and oshkosh has one of the lowest unemployment rate in the state even with all the paper mills that have closed. Not working is looked down upon around here. On average the more unemployment the lazier people are and the wait for government handouts. I was a liberal democrat through college until I got out into the real world and started my own business.

People are right Wi would vote strong republican without Madison and Milwaukee, Racine and Kenosha,

Why do you a conservative in a big city(a liberal who was mugged)

[Wellstone]

sure if you took away the two largest population centers maybe there's a slight republican lean. take those away and now you are basically north dakota with one member in the house of representatives.

Unfortunately a big reason why Republicans aren't present in large population centers is their fear of non-whites in their neighborhood. The far right population centers are the exurbs of Milwaukee who first moved out to Brookfield, then realized that wasn't far enough so now they replanted in oconomowoc and Delafield. Then they ***** when it takes them an hour and a half to get to work.

by the way look at this map and tell me just how bad it was for republicans last year. In Dane and Milwaukee counties alone, Obama carried by a total of about 300,000 votes, yet he won the state by over 400,000 votes. you can see the counties carried by mccain are small in number. County Results - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

[Milwaukee City]

Originally Posted by Wellstone

Unfortunately a big reason why Republicans aren't present in large population centers is their fear of non-whites in their neighborhood. The far right population centers are the exurbs of Milwaukee who first moved out to Brookfield, then realized that wasn't far enough so now they replanted in oconomowoc and Delafield. Then they ***** when it takes them an hour and a half to get to work.

You really believe people like me conservatives, live out in the suburbs is b/c they are racists? that's why I live in Walker's Point a very liberal and gay area

Nice blanket statement, maybe you can keep warm with it this winter.