Hooray....Smoking Ban Compromise Reached! (allergy, under 21, price)

[gold*dust1]

Originally Posted by susancruzs

For once I agree, it needs to be closed, enough said!

Thank you!!!!!!

[rso092]

Originally Posted by quickdraw

They do, you won't smoke in bars and restaurants.

Only twenty percent of the US smokes and 81 percent want to quit (I suspect the other 19 percent are liars). Basically, smokers are people with no willpower or discipline. You are tough talkers on internet boards, but you are actually weaklings who can't give up your nicotine. These laws are staying and will continue to get worse and worse, if you want to be in the whiny minority keep smoking. Why not take this opportunity to just suck it up once and for all. People who ride in elevators won't make faces at each other when you get in. Wouldn't that be nice?

I'm not a smoker

[FormerCaliforniaGirl]

Originally Posted by gold*dust1

Thank you!!!!!!

There's no reason to close this thread. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by FormerCaliforniaGirl

There's no reason to close this thread. If you don't like it, don't read it.

You mean, kinda like "if you don't like that they allow smoking there, don't go there?"

[FormerCaliforniaGirl]

Originally Posted by Drover

You mean, kinda like "if you don't like that they allow smoking there, don't go there?"

No, I mean, like, "if you don't like that you can't smoke there, don't go there".

[Drover]

Originally Posted by FormerCaliforniaGirl

No, I mean, like, "if you don't like that you can't smoke there, don't go there".

And that's what smokers already do, rather than try to use the law to make every place suit their preference. Follow their example.

[JDCATONSVILLE]

Isn't that what the smokers are crying about now? If you say no,then smoking isn't the only thing that shows how slow some people are. So man up and deal with it...the law has been signed. All the smokers can still pollute the air in their homes and kill their loved ones, that right is still there. Now if that right was taken away then we would have a real tyranny at hand instead of a government that is actually trying to protect the health of it's citizens. Maybe this thread should end...I mean smoking is bad for you and those around you, it's a stinky, filthy habit that kills. That is not opinion those are facts. And if you can't figure that out by now in life then your real ignorant and I guess there is no real hope for you. So if that's the case then I say smoke up buddy, I just hope you have real good health insurance and kids that don't depend on you being around.

[marleneb]

This "non" profit foundation, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, paid 99 million dollars in grants to the ACS, ALA and AHA for smoking bans: http://www.rwjf.org/files/publications/books/2005/chapter_01.pdf (pg. 5 shows the $99,000,000 grant to the AMA and http://www.rwjf.org/files/publications/books/2005/chapter_02.pdf shows how the AMA doled it out to the ACS, ALA and AHA for tobacco "control") Only providing tobacco education got grant money taken away from grantees. The RWJF wanted tobacco "control" (aka BANS). Why? Take Ohio, for example.
RWJF, in 2006 when Ohio's ban was bought and paid for by RWJF via the ACS/SmokeFree Ohio, RWJF owned 55,983,308 shares of Johnson & Johnson stock valued at $3,696,018,000. http://www.rwjf.org/files/publications/annual/2007/notes-investments.html
RWJF was created by the founder of J&J.
J&J owns Nicorette
3 studies have proven that these products:
1) only have a 1.6% success rate for quitting smoking 1 year http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr02_3/b1024 Yes-that's a 98.4% FAILURE rate (however it is interesting to read the authors of this study laud this rate as a success compared to the placebo-and the authors are tied to Big Pharma)
2) the gum and lozenges, in a study, are now linked to possible oral cancer http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6143744.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797084
3) 80% of the kids who attempted to buy NRT products were successful at doing so http://news.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news-2/Minors-able-to-buy-nicotine-replacement-therapy-products-3997-1/ (maybe it was the candy flavors of the gum that the anti smoking cartel uses against the tobacco companies that enticed the underaged)
Here's one more question. Why are they having such a fit over dissolvable tobacco and the electronic cigarette? ANSWER: because Big pHARMa isn't profiting from them. Remember, this is all supposedly about the fictitious secondhand smoke? Dissolvable and electronic tobacco wouldn't harm anyone by secondhand anything. And yet any nicotine not purchased by Big pHARMa is forbidden.
Now do you see what this is all really about?
Money for Big pHARMa and the non-profits. NO money for the bars, restaurants and private clubs that are closing. More and more people are discovering the truth behind this social engineering they call "denormalizing" our behaviors.

It's a win-win for these health nazis. Papers reported 1,000,000 boxes of NRT sold January, 2008. They get to profit and push their social engineering. They opted for smoking bans first to close as many bars as they could so that when they push the alcohol bans, less opposition. They even paid Stanton Glantz over a million dollars to create the website "TobaccoScam" to create the fallacy that Big Tobacco says the bans hurt the hospitality industry. Ask the people who own hospitality businesses!!! Ohio papers reported "More Ohioans are drinking more booze than ever before..and they're doing it at home" http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/taste/entries/2009/01/15/ohioans_drinking_more_liquor_a.html

After alcohol, then sugar, fatty foods, etc. Insurance will be doled out to the "deserving" and those of us who choose their definition of "unhealthy lifestyles" will be the less deserving.

It's all about money, greed and power. It's not going to be pretty when this all blows up. People are starting to see what's going on. Anyone involved is going to be covered in "it".

[susancruzs]

I went along with closing the thread because nothing new was being added just more sniping back and forth and that isn't constructive. Some seem to post if they can argue, otherwise, not interested.

[Capt. Dan]

Originally Posted by dreamhunter65

They used to have beer bars liquor bars, why not make smoking bars and non smoking bars? Everyone could be happy this way.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!