Would you support Gay/Lesbian Marriage in Wisconsin?

[kingchef]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite - Colfax Record
As far as I'm concerned, the story of Adam and Eve is nothing more than a fairytale like Jack and the Beanstalk or Puss In Boots. Same-sex marriages have existed in various forms throughout human history, including within the Christian religion.



"If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution." -- George Washington

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -- Benjamin Franklin

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" -- John Adams

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony

"What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution." -- James Madison

the fool says there is no god....lean not to your own understanding....there is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death.... the bible. from the beginning of time, homosexuality has been unnatural and against nature itself. it has always been referred to and known as base, vile, and raucous...moabites to the greeks to the romans to the english tudors to present time. christianity has never embraced homosexuality. christ never, in his teachings by commandment---expressed or implied---sanctioned homosexuality. under judaic law, homosexual acts were never accepted as justified under moral or religious law. violation of such rendered on "unclean" and usually resulted in stoning.

you reject belief in the account of the garden, and i reject the proclaimations of mortals for any reason. i reject that the world appeared from nowhere and that humans evolved from monkeys. people who accept these tenants of history are much like the ones who reason folly centuries later. it is a centuries old argument, and one through which disagreement continues.

[BacktoNE]

I fully support our gay friends and neighbors in their goal of legalizing gay marriage. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion and everything to do with equal opportunity/equal treatment and protecting their rights to will property and other assets to their partners, make medical decisions, etc.

[caieva]

Support.
I agree with the above poster that religion really has no part in this.
It is a civil contract that allows for division of property, insurance coverage, and compliance with HIPPA laws to allow medical access.

[jjacobeclark]

Originally Posted by kingchef

the fool says there is no god....lean not to your own understanding....there is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death.... the bible. from the beginning of time, homosexuality has been unnatural and against nature itself. it has always been referred to and known as base, vile, and raucous...moabites to the greeks to the romans to the english tudors to present time. christianity has never embraced homosexuality. christ never, in his teachings by commandment---expressed or implied---sanctioned homosexuality. under judaic law, homosexual acts were never accepted as justified under moral or religious law. violation of such rendered on "unclean" and usually resulted in stoning.

I never said there wasn't a god, I don't know if there's a god and neither do you or anybody else. Christians have assigned human qualities like vengefulness and jealousy to their god, which seems really strange for a god to exhibit human emotions in the first place. Why does god require constant praise for his/her/its actions? Does god have an inferiority complex or something?

You obviously don't know your history of western civilization if you think homosexuality was forbidden in ancient times. Everyone from Alexander the Great to Socrates to Joan of Arc have been shown to have had homosexual relationships. Here's a quote from that article I previously posted:

"It proves that for the last two millennia, in parish churches and cathedrals throughout Christendom, from Ireland to Istanbul and even in the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as valid expressions of a God-given love and committment to another person, a love that could be celebrated, honored and blessed, through the Eucharist in the name of, and in the presence of, Jesus Christ."

Originally Posted by kingchef

you reject belief in the account of the garden, and i reject the proclaimations of mortals for any reason. i reject that the world appeared from nowhere and that humans evolved from monkeys. people who accept these tenants of history are much like the ones who reason folly centuries later. it is a centuries old argument, and one through which disagreement continues.

Let's see if I get this straight. So you don't believe that the Big Bang created the universe as we know it, or that space debris aided by gravity could solidify into a planet, but you do believe god created the earth out of thin air on the "first day." You also don't believe in monkeys evolving into homosapiens, but you do believe there was a talking snake in the Garden of Eden that damned all of humanity.

FYI, there's no disagreement among scientists as to whether or not evolution exists. Why do you believe so deeply in a book of fairytales written by human men nearly 2000 years ago? The technology of the time was too primitive to explain away the mysteries of the universe, so the humans who wrote the Bible just made sh*t up. Even the Catholic Church has admitted that evolution is indeed a fact. The Vatican even has physicists, astronomers, and other scientists on the church's payroll.

[kingchef]

Originally Posted by jjacobeclark

I never said there wasn't a god, I don't know if there's a god and neither do you or anybody else. Christians have assigned human qualities like vengefulness and jealousy to their god, which seems really strange for a god to exhibit human emotions in the first place. Why does god require constant praise for his/her/its actions? Does god have an inferiority complex or something?

You obviously don't know your history of western civilization if you think homosexuality was forbidden in ancient times. Everyone from Alexander the Great to Socrates to Joan of Arc have been shown to have had homosexual relationships. Here's a quote from that article I previously posted:

"It proves that for the last two millennia, in parish churches and cathedrals throughout Christendom, from Ireland to Istanbul and even in the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as valid expressions of a God-given love and committment to another person, a love that could be celebrated, honored and blessed, through the Eucharist in the name of, and in the presence of, Jesus Christ."



Let's see if I get this straight. So you don't believe that the Big Bang created the universe as we know it, or that space debris aided by gravity could solidify into a planet, but you do believe god created the earth out of thin air on the "first day." You also don't believe in monkeys evolving into homosapiens, but you do believe there was a talking snake in the Garden of Eden that damned all of humanity.

FYI, there's no disagreement among scientists as to whether or not evolution exists. Why do you believe so deeply in a book of fairytales written by human men nearly 2000 years ago? The technology of the time was too primitive to explain away the mysteries of the universe, so the humans who wrote the Bible just made sh*t up. Even the Catholic Church has admitted that evolution is indeed a fact. The Vatican even has physicists, astronomers, and other scientists on the church's payroll.

well, to believe the guff above would be a bigger leap of faith than to believe the creation and the scheme of redemption for mankind. you get an A for trying; however, an F for advancing your argument.
the bible says nothing about a snake talking to eve in the garden. it says serpent. serpents were not snakes. you have made some other over-reaching statements concerning the Scriptures, however, for the purposes of time and energy, i will forgo outlining them. please read the creation account in the Bible, afterwards, if you understand its context in the scheme of things, get back to me and we'll chat meaningfully. otherwise, i have given all the time to this that i wish to give. i am completely satisfied w/ my journey here on earth and my existence. perhaps you will find the same contentment in your beliefs.

[monkeywrenching]

change the last part of your poll, i dont care about whether or not gays or lesbians live in wisconsin.

poll is about marriage, not living in wisconsin.

[Allan Trafton]

Don't they have a forum already for these types of topics. These threads dealing with any type of religious questions are the worst. Everyone just goes around and around and nobody changes their mind. We should all just respect each others beliefs and leave it at that. The key word is respect.

[EnjoyEP]

Originally Posted by Allan Trafton

Don't they have a forum already for these types of topics. These threads dealing with any type of religious questions are the worst. Everyone just goes around and around and nobody changes their mind. We should all just respect each others beliefs and leave it at that. The key word is respect.

Agreed. This thread is closed. It can be revisited if folks so wish to in the Politics & Other Controversies forum.