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Old 08-05-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Pkwy (da Bronx)
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Yes I would vote for it. My religious/spiritual/ideological beliefs are based on equality, inclusivity, and freedom of choice--with no exceptions to the rule.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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Even in a secular society people get to use religion to inform their sociopolitical beliefs. People of all political stripes do it. Just ask the abolitionists and leaders of the civil rights movement.
There's a difference between using your religious beliefs to foster freedom or further oppression, though. Banning gay marriage is definitely a form of the latter.

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That's why I said I don't have a good answer.
At least you're honest and forthright about your bigotry.
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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At least you're honest and forthright about your bigotry.
Whoa, This is why I try to stay away from controversial topics on here. All I was saying bedside's my religious beliefs and that's not a good answer b/c I agree with all of you that we shouldn't push religion onto others. Religious beliefs are a good reason for the person but not for the community policy to be based on. I have said in previous post that this is a tough one for me to decide that's why I leave it up to smarted minds to make the decision. And in the end it really doesn't matter to me b/c I will live my life and they will live theirs and chances are we will be good neighbors. However I think religion provides a good moral background to make judgments.

And at the same time I could say don't push your secular beliefs on me or your atheistic beliefs on me, that's why it's best to have a debate and let the voters decide not politicians.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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There's a difference between using your religious beliefs to foster freedom or further oppression, though. Banning gay marriage is definitely a form of the latter.
jjacobeclark made no such distinction. Take it up with him.

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At least you're honest and forthright about your bigotry.
And this right here is why it's impossible to have an open an honest debate on the subject. We couldn't even make it past page 2 before the ad hominem attacks came out. It doesn't really help the cause when you attack the very people you need to persuade to join your side.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Maine!
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Ummmm........ How is it possible not to bring religion into this? Marriage is a religious institiution. It has everything to do with religion. It's not possible to have this discussion without bringing up God and religious beliefs.

Good luck with this Wisconsin
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Old 08-05-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Ummmm........ How is it possible not to bring religion into this? Marriage is a religious institiution. It has everything to do with religion. It's not possible to have this discussion without bringing up God and religious beliefs.

Good luck with this Wisconsin
No, actually it doesn't. Marriage began long before religion as an exchange of property. Nothing more. There was nothing spiritual or romantic about it. For example, one man might trade one of his daughters to another man in exchange for a herd of goats. Later on in history, marriages were arranged to maintain or elevate the social status of a family. Same-sex marriages have also existed throughout history, even within Christianity.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Maine!
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No, actually it doesn't. Marriage began long before religion as an exchange of property. Nothing more. There was nothing spiritual or romantic about it. For example, one man might trade one of his daughters to another man in exchange for a herd of goats. Later on in history, marriages were arranged to maintain or elevate the social status of a family. Same-sex marriages have also existed throughout history, even within Christianity.
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I understand the need for that government piece of paper, especially for medical reasons, insurance and taxes. That's fine.......but I never really understood what the government has to do with marriage anyway

My marriage is a valid sacramental marriage within the Catholic Church and the government shouldn't have anything to do with that. It's between me and my husband and our sacramental agreement with the Lord. If homosexuals want to be "married" in the eyes of the government then so be it. I hope they get some tax breaks (Married, filing jointly) because we are going to need all the tax breaks we can get
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Old 08-05-2009, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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I understand the need for that government piece of paper, especially for medical reasons, insurance and taxes. That's fine.......but I never really understood what the government has to do with marriage anyway

My marriage is a valid sacramental marriage within the Catholic Church and the government shouldn't have anything to do with that. It's between me and my husband and our sacramental agreement with the Lord. If homosexuals want to be "married" in the eyes of the government then so be it. I hope they get some tax breaks (Married, filing jointly) because we are going to need all the tax breaks we can get
History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite - Colfax Record (http://colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html - broken link)
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Old 08-11-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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NO!

whats next you want to marry a dog who can consent
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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NO!

whats next you want to marry a dog who can consent
Right, because everyone knows the "movement" to legalize gay marriage is really just a front for people in favor of loosening bestiality laws.

SMH X 1000
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