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Old 08-11-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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As a gay guy myself, I would vote to approve civil marriage for same-sex couples. However, I don't think such a measure should decide terms for marriage within religious institutions, so there should be a distinction between civil (state-endorsed) marriage (or call it what you want) and church-based marriage. No church or religious institution should be forced to perform or endorse a marriage contrary to its beliefs, just as no church or religious institution should be permitted to dictate the terms of the life of a person who exists outside of that institution's domain.

On a side note, I'm always amused when conservatives clamor for the "preservation of traditional marriage." Current heterosexual marriage practices in Western culture, generally based on mutual affection and individual choice, are really a product of secular humanism, including women's lib. In the Western world, until the Renaissance era, "traditional" marriages were arranged marriages based on economic and familial concerns.

I wonder how many proponents of "traditional" marriage would consent to being pawned off in an arranged relationship of their parents' or community's choosing?
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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As a gay guy myself, I would vote to approve civil marriage for same-sex couples. However, I don't think such a measure should decide terms for marriage within religious institutions, so there should be a distinction between civil (state-endorsed) marriage (or call it what you want) and church-based marriage. No church or religious institution should be forced to perform or endorse a marriage contrary to its beliefs, just as no church or religious institution should be permitted to dictate the terms of the life of a person who exists outside of that institution's domain.

On a side note, I'm always amused when conservatives clamor for the "preservation of traditional marriage." Current heterosexual marriage practices in Western culture, generally based on mutual affection and individual choice, are really a product of secular humanism, including women's lib. In the Western world, until the Renaissance era, "traditional" marriages were arranged marriages based on economic and familial concerns.

I wonder how many proponents of "traditional" marriage would consent to being pawned off in an arranged relationship of their parents' or community's choosing?
I agree that churches shouldn't be forced to perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples if they don't approve of such unions, but I've never heard anyone on our side demand anything contrary to that. Whether or not a marriage is sanctioned by a church is irrelevant, because all marriages require a marriage license be filed with the county. No marriage, hetero or otherwise, is deemed legal or "official" until the paperwork is processed by the government and you receive a marriage license. It should be no different for gays and lesbians.
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Old 08-12-2009, 04:19 AM
 
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NO!

whats next you want to marry a dog who can consent
NO! and what a waste of your own opportunity to share a legitimate opinion. You may not agree, but why be so ignorant about it?
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Old 08-12-2009, 08:40 AM
 
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Right, because everyone knows the "movement" to legalize gay marriage is really just a front for people in favor of loosening bestiality laws.

SMH X 1000

thats not what i meant just using as an example
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Old 08-12-2009, 08:41 AM
 
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NO! and what a waste of your own opportunity to share a legitimate opinion. You may not agree, but why be so ignorant about it?
oh please, move around, like i said, NO
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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oh please, move around, like i said, NO
Well, it doesn't matter what you think since the state started granting civil unions last Monday.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Well, it doesn't matter what you think since the state started granting civil unions last Monday.
I can't wait to pair up with my parakeet. I'm hoping to teach it to say "I do," and I'm hoping 414 will be front and center at the ceremony.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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No I am not in favor of same sex marriage, I am not in favor same sex relationships other than just friends or family. There should not be any penalty for not being married as far as taxes are concerned, that would be where I would work to change the law. Change man made laws, not God's laws. God said it was an abomination for couples of the same sex to copulate and that's the final word for me. Sorry for those I have offended, but I refuse to offend the Lord.


TEXAS JOE
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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Hello

I have never understood this issue. The 14th Amendment to the Constitution provides for ALL citizens of the United States to have equal protection under the laws of this country and that no state nor the federal government shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge (restrict) their privileges nor deny them their liberties.

Regardless of how you or I feel about this issue on religious, moral or ethical grounds, these persons ARE citizens of this country and ARE protected by the laws of this land and the bedrock on which all other State constitutions are or should be based is the US Constitution.

For those of you who believe that the Constitution is some old document written a long time ago by some guys in silly clothes, you really need to go back to school. The US Constitution is at the heart of our political and governmental system period.

For those of you who think that this country is based on the Bible, please show me any law passed by Congress or any decision by the Supreme Court in the last two hundred years that cites a portion of the Bible or the Bible itself as justification. (Also see 1st Amendment) If I don't convince you, then this might God's law is love and Jesus himself said "Love thy neighbor as thyself". HIS definition of neighbor included everyone. This commandment along with others and comments made by Jesus DO NOT discriminate in who HE loves.

Churches can refuse to marry whom ever they choose, but under this country's laws, everyone has the right to marry through the civil process. (Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness)

I am old enough to remember that the arguments put forth against gays are the same arguments used against blacks 40 years ago. Only the most hardcore of us would say that blacks are not citizens and do not have the right to the same laws and liberties in this country as everyone else.

It did not work in the 60's and 70's and its just a stupid now.

Thanks

Wolfman 24
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The house on the hill
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I know this is an old post and has just been resurrected, but I wanted to chime in. I have a really hard time respecting people who pick and choose which parts of the Bible (the bible being open interpretation to begin with) to stand (hide) behind.
I believe in equal rights for all. It's the way my God would want it.
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