Wisconsin (Milwaukee, Madison: to rent, buying, college)

[nanannie]

Harrison Ford is from Park Ridge Il, same as Hillary Clinton. He did go to college in Ripon.

[dcisive]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. California is universally hated by ALL of the other Western States.....why? For a pretty good reason. They flocked to all the Western States to suck up vast quantities of Real Estate and take advantage of locals. This extended to Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Oregon and Washington as far as Colorado. So Kalifornia has left an indelible mark upon those places and not in a good way. It left a wake of much uncontrolled growth in many regions expanding the pollution, traffic problems, overcrowded schools and you name it. The reason for the contention mainly has been that they came to these areas and expected the natives to cater to their every need and change to the ways they were familiar with in California. Well, they got a news flash. They now had to adapt to the locals. There remains a fair amount of contention to this day (bumper stickers etc.) that note the issue. Oh well.....such is life.........

[linicx]

Urban Dictionary slang not generally accepted in C-D forums. Please keep Wisconsin clean.

[the fonz]

How about 'stay cool' ayyyyyyy!

[tully]

Originally Posted by JDCATONSVILLE

Other famous peolpe from Wisconsin:
Les Paul
Steve Miller
William Defoe
Eric Heiden
Jackie Mason
Charles and John Ringling
Georgia O'Keefe
Orson Wells
Bob Uecker

That's all well and good, but does it really count if they were just born in WI, or transitioned through? Off the top of my head.. orson Welles moved to Chicago VERY early in life. I think Oprah passed through only briefly(?) Pretty sure Steve Miller was raised in either Texas or Chicago. No idea about the others but I'm guessing it would be a similar story with many of them.

Regardless, in re-reading my previous post about WI "underachievement", I think it came across too blanket. Here's a couple actual data links, lest anyone think I formed my opinion out of the blue.

here's the 2000 census map showing high school attainment for each state. Not too shabby for WI-- in the top tier.

Now here's the map of bachelor's degree attainment by state, 25 and older. Somewhat different story here-- WI is 31st.

(Incidentally: these data points, taken together, hint at the 1970s-90s brain drain phenomenon prevalent in WI; no idea whether that's still the case, or what the 2010 census will show.)

Lastly, WI is somewhat low-entrepreneurship, although i don't have a link to the exact study (I'm thinking Kauffman or Pew) It was around 40-45th.

[landshark77]

Originally Posted by tully

That's all well and good, but does it really count if they were just born in WI, or transitioned through?

Now here's the 25 and older bachelor's degree attainment. Somewhat different story here-- WI is 31st.

Well sure it counts. How many famous people are born in a paricular city/state and then live in that place all their life? But they are still associated with those places and are normally considered to be "from there."
If you look at lists of famous people from Chicago, for example, you find oodles of them only spent a relatively short time there or simply had their careers there and then moved away by choice.

Steve Miller was taught guitar in WI as a child by the legend Les Paul, later moved to Texas by his parents, and then returned to Wisconsin to attend college where he formed his first real band. He also lived in Chicago, New York and Texas. But when he plays Alpine Valley or Milwaukee, he never forgets to say "it's always nice to be home."
Another example is Barack Obama. He "transitioned" through Chicago for a few years, but he is definately thought of by some as a famous Chicagoan. Chris Farley is considered a Wisconsin guy even though he got a start in second city in Chicago, he was born went to college and buried in WI.

About your bachelor's degree stats. Wisconsin's attainment is low for many reasons. But I have many many many many friends from Illinois who have attained their bachelor's degrees and a few even have their MBAs. One is delivering pizzas, another is driving a truck, another is tearing off roofs, one manages a car wash, and another works for a printing company. Not exactly setting the world on fire there, but they do what they can. Their attainment has had little effect.
Another guy works at Abbott and makes pretty decent money and benefits, but he admittedly does a job a monkey could do. Sure, there are those who actually use their education to acheive something, and then there is the vast majority of the rest.

[the fonz]

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Regardless, in re-reading my previous post about WI "underachievement", I think it came across too blanket. Here's a couple actual data links, lest anyone think I formed my opinion out of the blue.

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We've too seen plenty of data links that rank Wisconsin well above Illinois in things like 'quality of life' and 'livability'. You may say that those things are in the eye of the beholder. But so is saying that attaining bachelors degrees equates to eventual achievment. Sometimes it does, sometimes it does not.

[RangerDanger]

To the person that says WI has an inferiority complex, that has nothing to do with the FIB statement. The fact of the matter is that the lakeshore that should go to the people that live in and around the community can not be enjoyed by the people who like being in this state. If you are from IL and you want to buy the property and live here Kudos, but to the people that jack up our real estate to visit once a year that makes you a FIB.

[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by RangerDanger

To the person that says WI has an inferiority complex, that has nothing to do with the FIB statement. The fact of the matter is that the lakeshore that should go to the people that live in and around the community can not be enjoyed by the people who like being in this state. If you are from IL and you want to buy the property and live here Kudos, but to the people that jack up our real estate to visit once a year that makes you a FIB.

Not sure what you mean by "our" real estate. The person who actually owns it can sell it to anyone he/she chooses. Should WI have a law that states one cannot sell to out of staters?

[son of chan 1]

No law like that will ever exist. Nobody in upper WI is really crying that their real estate values went up. In fact, many locals were laughing all the way to the bank before the recession slowed it down. Or they sold their properties for a fortune long ago. Either way, millions of Wisconsinites own property in Wisconsin compared to only a thin sliver of those from other states who are true "owners"
Many of the lake properties up north are owned by real estate investment companies. Some are Wisconsin based. Some are Illinois based. Some are Michigan companies. Some are Minnesota companies. Some New York companies. I am an avid fisherman and recent retiree and I now get to enjoy many of the lakes in upper Wisconsin on a regular basis and even do some ice fishing. From what I can tell and from talking to local police and DNR, the majority of out of state "inhabitants" are still just renters. Those who actually own the prime lake homes are more likely to be locals or the investment companies.