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Old 07-16-2010, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Do you whine this much at work? That might explain why they ignore you. Given your age and amount of experience (not much on both counts), you clearly have no clue how good you have it.

You're an adult... start acting like one.
No intelligent response, so you resort to insults. Nice! How old are you again??? Wait, don't answer that, it was rhetorial.
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Old 07-16-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I would keep bringing it up. No telling how long it will take you to find the new position (it could be a month it could be 6). I NEVER wait for a manager to remember to speak to something about me that I have an interested in pursuing. Basically-- it is NOT their job to keep remembering what you want to do out of the scope of your role.

As for the class that is beneficial for the company and you at the same time-- that does make sense. I REALLY want to take this course at Harvard's Extension School about the vampire in literature and film (I just think it would be interesting) and I know better than to even pose to my employer to pay for the course. If I REALLY want to take it then I will have to pay for it on my own.

Bringing it up, set up a reminder for the manager, advocate for yourself versus waiting for someone else to bring it up.
Interesting post. I do want to take classes that are relevant to the position. I just wasn't sure if it was appropriate to keep bringing it up. Anyways, thanks for posting some useful advice.
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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I work for a mid sized major company and receive no training. Self learner here
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Old 07-16-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I work for a mid sized major company and receive no training. Self learner here
I didn't get much training for the position I'm in either. The only thing I really needed to learn was their proprietary inventory management software. I already had the computer/research/people skills they needed for the position.

Self-learning is great. If that's all that was necessary to get ahead in your career, then that'd be fantastic. Unfortunately, without "formal" training or education, your marketability is low. I'd love to put on my resume that I've studied computer programming, web design, and database design on my own. I just don't think it's worth it because employers will not take me as seriously as someone who paid a school to print them a piece of paper.
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Old 07-16-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I get it. "Back when I started out, my employers trained me and now I've worked my way up to the executive level." Ahh, the 70s, 80s, and 90s must've been nice.

Fast forward to the 2000s. It seems like companies (particularly small businesses) do not want to pay for training/education for their employees anymore. Yeah, they claim to offer the education benefits, but you have to go through loops just to convince them it's worth investing in you. Instead, when they scout for talent, they look for people who already have the training/experience. In the meantime, young college grads or young workers go untrained. They either get rejected for employment opportunities or get stuck working entry level for much longer than is necessary.

I understand. If the talent is available out there, why shouldn't companies go for it. But just like the route cause of most of our economic woes these days, it's all short sighted strategy. What I think we'll see in the coming decades is a HUGE gap in talent/experience. Since younger workers are being neglected now, they will not be ready for upper level positions tomorrow. Guess what's going to happen then. Companies will cry to the government that there isn't enough talent in this country to fill the openings and they'll lobby for the importation of cheap talent abroad.

Does anyone else see this happening or is it just a problem with my employer?
I was in a meeting with a bank President the other day and he said the same thing, that big firms used to have real career track training programs but now they just recycle people from elsewhere.

Yes, I think it is shortsighted, just like offshoring all call centers, cutting corners to make a quarterly number and firing long term employees at the drop of a hat.

American firms are short sighted, what's new? And we wonder why other nations are kicking our butts.
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I was in a meeting with a bank President the other day and he said the same thing, that big firms used to have real career track training programs but now they just recycle people from elsewhere.

Yes, I think it is shortsighted, just like offshoring all call centers, cutting corners to make a quarterly number and firing long term employees at the drop of a hat.

American firms are short sighted, what's new? And we wonder why other nations are kicking our butts.
I'm curious if he/she was doing anything about that problem at his/her bank. But yeah, at least it's not just little 'ole me recognizing this problem. Eventually, you won't be able to recycle people, because they're creating a gap amongst the younger workers.
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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I'm curious if he/she was doing anything about that problem at his/her bank. But yeah, at least it's not just little 'ole me recognizing this problem. Eventually, you won't be able to recycle people, because they're creating a gap amongst the younger workers.
There will always be eager new grads being churned out of schools to fill entry level jobs. Those middle positions will be harder to fill once the boomers start retiring because no one is being groomed to take them anymore. Corporations don't care about people unless it's their shareholders and both only care about the bottom line which is understandable but very short sighted.
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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There will always be eager new grads being churned out of schools to fill entry level jobs. Those middle positions will be harder to fill once the boomers start retiring because no one is being groomed to take them anymore. Corporations don't care about people unless it's their shareholders and both only care about the bottom line which is understandable but very short sighted.
This is exactly what I think. And then companies will start crying for the government to open the floodgates holding back even more H1B workers. Seriously, I don't feel any sympathy for business owners and that's coming from someone who's fairly conservative and pro-free market.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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I was in a meeting with a bank President the other day and he said the same thing, that big firms used to have real career track training programs but now they just recycle people from elsewhere.
When corporate raiders started coming in and tossing bunches of worker to put bundles of dollars in their pockets, workers realized it's was every man for himself (ladies too).
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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And then companies will start crying for the government to open the floodgates holding back even more H1B workers.
You do realize that a government run banking system makes the US a socialist country? So, it's no longer about the american dream. It's about the government dream.
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