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This bugs me. You can't just sue someone for slander because they are mean to you. What they say has to be false - So a bad reference is NEVER illegal, unless they lie. And how do you find out that they lied? It's not they'll tell you what they said if you got a bad reference.
The "slander" route is not actually an option. If I were a hiring manager and someone came to me and said that they would sue me for slander if I gave a bad reference, guess what the first thing I would say when they called me would be? "Mr. X has instructed me that he would sue for slander if I gave my opinion of him, so I'm sorry I can't give you any information today."
Yes, you can. You can sue for any reason. Doesn't matter if they win or not, it will cost time, money and aggravation. Life is not a TV show where it will be resolved in an hour, it will drag on for a long time either way. This is why smart companies and people avoid litigation.
I got news for you, no one is going to contact you for a reference. Only an idiot gives a former supervisor as an reference who isn't on their side. Furthermore, when verifying employment for background checks it is often out-sourced to a company which does that on the behalf of the employer. Even if the company was small enough, it would go to HR who is instructed in smart companies to give dates of employment and title, and that's it.
However, if the company policy is to mark you ineligible for rehire due to not providing sufficient notice-- then you can believe that that will go in the generic reference checks that HR or their automated reference checking service will provide (The Work Number is one).
And let's be honest-- "Ineligible for Rehire" says a lot without saying hardly anything at all. It means that company does not want you back EVER. *lol*
It can also mean, that the employee was near retirement and/or accepted a buy-out to leave. I know a couple of people who left that way and when they decided later to return to the employer, they found out they weren't able to be hired back. This is another way for employers to purge themselves of older (expensive) employees and not have them hired back in for another job, because they are trying to reduce the age of the employee population to provide lower insurance premiums for the company. Even if the employee thinks he/she is paying for the entire insurance premiums, many states require the employer to pay 10% of the insurance premiums.
watch out for employment at will- the new way for employers.
too many CDF posts, i gave 2 weeks notice and then they fired me.
I know people who have given 2 weeks notice or more, and the employer fired them, or give them an end date which was that very week, which caused them to be without salary until they started the next job. Some escort you out the door that day and pay you for just one week or the 2 weeks. It all depends, and you can't count on anything.
If you really want to know, ask employees who left the company what they did and what was the outcome. It isn't going to be the same for each employer or for each situation. Be prepared for the worst. Don't give notice or tell anyone until you have a letter from the new employer confirming everything agreed on. Also, and this is important, ask the new employer if you can start sooner if your current employer is able to release you sooner than 2 weeks. There are no guarantees.
Just to remind people. Employers routinely fire employees without any notice at all. They come to you, say you are fired and walk you out the building often not being able to take anything with you. Same thing with a layoff. They don't want anyone to know ahead of time because they fear the employees will do something to damage the company.
Hahahaha....oh. Were you being serious? You actually think YOU dictate who an employer contacts to find out about you?
Yes, you do. You are the applicant for the job, so you list the references and the job information that you wish. They aren't going on a witch hunt for each applicant that applies. So you held a horrible job and was fired after one month, don't put it on your resume. So save your for yourself.
Nobody is dictating anything. You need to tone down your attitude seriously. You seem to have some kind of unresolved anger towards employees...job applicants.Do you have some issues?
You seem to believe we are living in an Employer-Dictator world.Employer is God unchallenged. That's total bs.
If an employer asks to see references from my last 10 years for every job, then I know I don't want to work for that employer. He/She is a paranoid control freak. They can do a background check and credit check.That's fine. I am not applying for jobs working for the CIA or FBI. I have letters of reference for many places. I have names and phone numbers. Most reasonable people know that it's impossible to stay in touch (and be remembered) by previous employers that go a while back. People move, die, close up businesses. HR will give the dates of hire and other basic things.
I have never had a paranoid employer be unreasonable regarding references. Again, I don't apply to Fortune500 C-level jobs. Maybe they should have checked Bernie Madoff more thoroughly.
I decide things for myself and live my life my way.And I don't take jobs with bosses who want to look up my a*s with a microscope.
Employers want current people to contact as references and recent companies you worked for. Anything older is going to be a waste of time for them and isn't relevant. I get the impression some think people are sitting in offices trying to figure out better ways to plot against them and ruin their lives.
Olive1982, I love what you said. So absolutely true. I'm tired of people around me where I am telling me that it's a recession....bla bla.."you should have stayed..."...."given him 2 weeks notice..." "don't burn bridges..." and bla and bla and bla. There is NO bridge to burn. Where's the guarantee that they WOULD have given a good reference at all, even after me giving him 2 weeks notice? The wife was a sociopath. As far as rehire, they could offer me 100K and I would still refuse, because that's how bad it was for me.
If something is having a negative effect on your physical and/or mental health, then you have to leave and immediately. You don't need to trash the place on your way out, but leaving is most important.
You are right, anything that bad isn't going to be helpful to you anyway. Anyone that is going to hold it against you because you had to leave suddenly from a job, wasn't going to be helpful to you anyway.
It should be a clue to people when they see others leave their company, notice how they are being treated because this is how you are going to be treated as well.
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