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Old 12-15-2010, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Beaverland, OR
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There's a big difference between deserving a job and a legal mandate to be given a job.

Lots of people probably do, in fact, "deserve" a job; they're punctual, educated, they work hard, they interact well with others, etc. etc. But that doesn't mean they should be required to be given a job.

What would happen if we implemented this policy and there were not enough jobs to go around for all those people who demanded them? Do we just make up jobs and pull money out of our arse (i.e. taxpayers) to pay them?

Humans deserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; for everything else, you're on your own.

I can't believe this question was even asked.
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Old 12-15-2010, 03:46 PM
 
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There's a big difference between deserving a job and a legal mandate to be given a job.

Lots of people probably do, in fact, "deserve" a job; they're punctual, educated, they work hard, they interact well with others, etc. etc. But that doesn't mean they should be required to be given a job.

What would happen if we implemented this policy and there were not enough jobs to go around for all those people who demanded them? Do we just make up jobs and pull money out of our arse (i.e. taxpayers) to pay them?

Humans deserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; for everything else, you're on your own.

I can't believe this question was even asked.
I agree with you to an extent. But do you know why you believe the part that I put in bold? Is that because a few men in the 1700s said that's what we deserve? What makes them right and those who disagree wrong? And you also refer to humans. Does that mean this "rule" applies to humans in Malaysia or Qatar? Or does it only apply to Americans? There's really something to think about, on a much deeper, philosophical level.
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Old 12-15-2010, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Beaverland, OR
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I agree with you to an extent. But do you know why you believe the part that I put in bold? Is that because a few men in the 1700s said that's what we deserve? What makes them right and those who disagree wrong? And you also refer to humans. Does that mean this "rule" applies to humans in Malaysia or Qatar? Or does it only apply to Americans? There's really something to think about, on a much deeper, philosophical level.
You're absolutely right - where we draw the line for exactly what humans are entitled to is indeed somewhat arbitrary, varies by location, and certainly open to debate.

But I stand by my assertion that being entitled to a job is nowhere close to the location of this line.
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Because not everyone is motivated by money.
At the lower end of the totem pole, when it means you eat and have a place to sleep at night, money is a motivator right?
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Not for me.
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Not for me.
so have you lived in a forest lately?
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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No, but pride in my job is my primary motivator. I don't really care how little it pays. I'm not a materialist.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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No, but pride in my job is my primary motivator. I don't really care how little it pays. I'm not a materialist.
I have a volunteer job for you, you will not get paid. But you will have status more so than any job you have yet had in your life and possibly be a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, you will be helping out a lot of needy children. Businesswire will also cover it. You will be given a food stipend, mostly a diet of rice beans and eggs and a place to camp out, but will need to provide your own tent. It is about a 2 year term with possible extension. Do you want it?
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I'm not into status, really. I don't think of myself as anyone special, and I don't want special treatment.

Take out the high status, and it would be fine.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:06 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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I'm not into status, really. I don't think of myself as anyone special, and I don't want special treatment.

Take out the high status, and it would be fine.
There are plenty of jobs like this right now, plenty with low status, menial work, and also no pay (just housing or a place to camp and enough food to eat), I suggest you sign up then and get a move on
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