Weight discrimination in the workplace. (unemployed, full-time, office, background)

[Spokanejobseeker]

Originally Posted by lovetheduns

Wow-- you are such an awesome motivator. Bless your heart that you think the world is the equivalent of the Rangers. You were trained to be a soldier-- the US government could have cared less if you were in pain or what happened long term to your body because let's be honest, you were trained to be a weapon-- and if said weapon was killed in battle there is no concern about what happens to your body and the destruction it could endure long term. This may sound harsh, but coming from a family of military-- everyone of them (including my current SF cousin) knows it to be true.

Here is what I try to tell people.

Look at dogs-- look at even horses. I will take horses though since I know far more about them than dogs. You see a Quarterhorse and a Thoroughbred and a Clydesdale are ALL horses. They have the same basic DNA running through their blood.

But I can tell you-- that it will be a RARE day that a full blooded traditional Quarterhorse will ever be able to "look" like a sleek Thoroughbred. It will also be a breed disatisfier for a Clyde to look like a quarterhorse or a thoroughbred.

A quarterhorse is like a sprinter that you see in the olympics-- he is not built to run long distances at speed. He is muscular and heavy, can usually carry his weight all day long and work, but he is not going to set many speed records. A thoroughbred is typical long and sleek, can race long distances and he is usually very athletic (check out the sport 3 day eventing and what those horses are able to do) and a clydesdale can pull large weights, big carriages, plows and a lot of general heavy work that would split the other two into pieces.

My mare is a quarterhorse-- she looks at grain and puts on weight. It doesn't even matter if she is in work. Her stablemate is a TB who eats 4x as much as she does in the same amount of work.

It is not any different than human beings really.

My ex could eat McDonald's value meals and not gain an ounce. I could look at one and gain a pound. I have to watch every calorie I put into my body in order to just maintain weight. I have to be super diligent and strict to lose weight even when doing the same amount of working out. I did gain a lot of weight-- not hard to do when anything about 1400-1500 calories helps me pile on weight (I try to eat at 1200 calories-- the absolute bottom a woman can safely do on her own daily). I am losing and eat more healthy than most people I know, but I am sure some ignorant judgemental guy like you still looks at me and thinks I am a fat arse who is lazy and wont get off of the couch.

Also-- obviously you are a man since you report to have been a Ranger-- there is also a point of fact that for a man to lose weight it is by far easier than for a woman to ever lose weight. There is this biological equation that comes into play because a woman is supposed to store weight, fat, and calories in order to procreate. What you may think is easy is not for women when you pull in the whole birthing babies component.

I think the comparison to a horse is accurate for some . Maybe not all people need to be able to conduct a 30 K night movement with a hundred and twenty pounds of gear on their back with only 45 minutes of sleep and a few hundred calories of food in them, but maybe they could exercise a little bit of the same discipline. It doesn't take much to do some sort of exercise everyday. You could do 20 mins of cardio instead of sitting on your couch or writing in forums all day . If you are 400 lbs maybe you should have the discipline to say, wait, maybe that Big Mac isn't a good idea.

[Spokanejobseeker]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

P.S. Nice attitude (regarding our being sacked, pillaged & burned) - do you feel that way about many of your fellow Americans?

Maybe I threw San Fran under the bus for being so close to Berkeley, but I don't think I'm off in saying that they share many of the same views. Berkeley is the city that dubbed Marine recruiters "unwanted invaders." That same city that now wants to name PFC Manning a hero and give him his own day of recognition. So forgive me if I don't have any affections for the city of Berkeley.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by Spokanejobseeker

Maybe I threw San Fran under the bus for being so close to Berkeley, but I don't think I'm off in saying that they share many of the same views. Berkeley is the city that dubbed Marine recruiters "unwanted invaders." That same city that now wants to name PFC Manning a hero and give him his own day of recognition. So forgive me if I don't have any affections for the city of Berkeley.

We probably shouldn't discuss that here, at the risk of further derailing this thread... but you are entitled to your opinions, which are somewhat misguided but shared by many. That's all I'm gonna say.

[gizmo980]

P.S. Now, Berkeley specifically might not actually have fat people... in comparison to the "Bezerkleyans," San Franciscans are akin to Rush Limbaugh. Howevvvvver, their abundance of pot clubs probably is leading to a city-wide attack of the munchies - LOL.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by lovetheduns

Also-- obviously you are a man since you report to have been a Ranger-- there is also a point of fact that for a man to lose weight it is by far easier than for a woman to ever lose weight. There is this biological equation that comes into play because a woman is supposed to store weight, fat, and calories in order to procreate. What you may think is easy is not for women when you pull in the whole birthing babies component.

That is absolutely true! Back when I was in Weight Watchers, they would set different weekly goals for each member... the male's goals were typically between 4-7lbs per week, whereas the female's goals were usually around 2-5lbs. Even if a woman weighed 400lbs and the man weighed only 280, they'd still give him a higher weight-loss goal. They explained it pretty much as you did, that men generally lose weight more quickly & easily. No fair!!

[lovetheduns]

Originally Posted by Spokanejobseeker

I think the comparison to a horse is accurate for some . Maybe not all people need to be able to conduct a 30 K night movement with a hundred and twenty pounds of gear on their back with only 45 minutes of sleep and a few hundred calories of food in them, but maybe they could exercise a little bit of the same discipline. It doesn't take much to do some sort of exercise everyday. You could do 20 mins of cardio instead of sitting on your couch or writing in forums all day . If you are 400 lbs maybe you should have the discipline to say, wait, maybe that Big Mac isn't a good idea.

You remind me of the character of Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite... which is about all I will say back to your dreams of yesteryear.

For what it is worth, I do approximately 45-1.5 hour of cardio a day. And I have stated before-- I don't eat at fast food joints--nor do I eat processed foods.

And there is such a thing as dropping into a forum on breaks whether they be from work breaks, breaks between doing chores, cooking, working out blah blah blah blah.

But I am sure in your ignoramus world, you will think I am taking a break from eating a hoho dipped in fudge-- *rolls eyes*.

At any rate, have a good judgmental afternoon.. the weather outside is delightful and I plan to go and enjoy it.

[HansProof]

Time is nothing, effort is everything

[Spokanejobseeker]

Originally Posted by lovetheduns

You remind me of the character of Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite... which is about all I will say back to your dreams of yesteryear.

For what it is worth, I do approximately 45-1.5 hour of cardio a day. And I have stated before-- I don't eat at fast food joints--nor do I eat processed foods.

And there is such a thing as dropping into a forum on breaks whether they be from work breaks, breaks between doing chores, cooking, working out blah blah blah blah.

But I am sure in your ignoramus world, you will think I am taking a break from eating a hoho dipped in fudge-- *rolls eyes*.

At any rate, have a good judgmental afternoon.. the weather outside is delightful and I plan to go and enjoy it.

Unlike Uncle Rico my "glory" days are within this decade. I am also still somewhat living them since I spent a few months training DROC (Democratic Republic of Congo) light infantry in the latter part of this summer.

I'd say America needs to get healthy. People are going to discriminate in the workforce regardless. I get discriminated against I'm sure for being in the Army Reserves. What can I do about it besides leave the Reserves and go to the IRR for a bit. If you don't want to be discriminated against for being fat, lose some weight.

I'll leave you with this question.

What's the maximum effective range of an excuse?

[lovetheduns]

Originally Posted by Spokanejobseeker

Unlike Uncle Rico my "glory" days are within this decade. I am also still somewhat living them since I spent a few months training DROC (Democratic Republic of Congo) light infantry in the latter part of this summer.

I'd say America needs to get healthy. People are going to discriminate in the workforce regardless. I get discriminated against I'm sure for being in the Army Reserves. What can I do about it besides leave the Reserves and go to the IRR for a bit. If you don't want to be discriminated against for being fat, lose some weight.

I'll leave you with this question.

What's the maximum effective range of an excuse?

*rolls eyes * Zero.

However-- If you want to not be "discriminated against" for being in the Reserves, you leave and that is the end of that (although I am genuinely curious to hear more about your experiences with discrimination for being in the reserves-- most large companies I have worked at both public and private actually really like to bolster the amounts of employees they have who are former military and/or in the reserves). Someone that is losing weight-- there is no instantaneous solution.

Instead-- just a trip to the grocery store, a walk outdoors can get responses from the bigots out there. For the most part unless you verbally tell folks you are in the reserves most of the general populace will ever know. It it is not in complete view of the ordinary public.

Instead the fat person whether or not they are trying to change their life or not-- gets the absolute disdain.

Hansproof-- really??? I never knew I thought just sitting on the bike for an hour going as slow as possible would be enough for an hour.

Seriously the statements like telling fat people they need to lose weight, telling someone working out that it is the effort not the time is like telling someone that they need oxygen to breathe.

[kyle19125]

The workplace is full of active discrimination. If it's not for weight there's always smoker vs non-smoker, male vs female (and vice versa which is IMO more prevalent), racial, age and my favorite...anti-motivated employee (makes everyone else look "bad"). None is any better than the other and all are inexcusable. Until direct confrontation occurs with the violators (or via Human Resources), it'll continue...plain and simple.