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Old 02-09-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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You do?
Don't quote me out of context.

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Don't you think this happens all the time??? Pretty much every state communicates with the IRS
and vice-versa for regular tax stuff. Reporting 1099's is easy. If I could do it, I'd place a bet.
Many types of income are reported on 1099s, not just earned income. His talking to people is more likely than a database comparison.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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Do you honestly think he has the money to refund to the client in the first place???
It's the cheapest 'legal-ish' option.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by jkcoop
Do you honestly think he has the money
to refund to the client in the first place???
It doesn't matter what I think.

I offered a solution. I also offered two possible ways to
solve the problem; a cash advance or selling something.
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... it's unlikely unemployment would find out. ...
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Originally Posted by mortimer
You do?
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Originally Posted by Hopes
Don't quote me out of context.
It's not out of context.

You made a statement, I quoted it. I did not rearrange words. I only
used it as lead-in to my claim that unemployment would find out.

Don't tell me how to post.

I get enough of that from annerk
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: 2nd state in the union...
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Don't you think this happens all the time??? Pretty much every state communicates with the IRS and vice-versa for regular tax stuff.
I tend to agree with you. The trickle-down effect from the IRS to the state Dept of Revenue to the UE folks - odds probably aren't in his favor that they won't find out at some point. As I said earlier, as more gov't agencies share and cross-reference, the risk gets higher.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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I dont have any money. Im in negative cash flow every month and bleeding out. I have two good job leads finally and its possible I could be employed in 6 weeks. I had my last job for over ten years and paid taxes on all my side jobs. I dont mind paying my fair share I always have, Im just broke and I hate being on unemployment. I appreciate all your advice. The only reason i considered not giving my number is so UE wouldnt know. Now I will have to give my number and just pay the tax, then talk to an attorney to figure out the safest approach for UE. I was also afraid that if I reported the 8K to UE that I wouldnt be able to get back on UE after the project was complete. I should have just gone bankrupt now i have all this stress 30k and maybe jail?!!! OMG This is horrible! What a trap. I feel so stupid.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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Bottom line is FloridaEagle did something dishonest and should have
to suffer the consequences for it. Get a cash advance. Sell something.
Whatever ...
Working under the table and collecting unemployment is not being dishonest, it's breaking the law.

busta
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Working under the table and collecting
unemployment is not being dishonest,
Every week, a person on unemployment has to state that
they didn't earn money that week to get their check.

Stating that you didn't when you really did is a lie.
A lie, by definition, is dishonest.

Since the unemployment system in pretty much every state
is bleeding money, working out a payment plan would probably
be doable if FloridaEagle is up-front about it.

$6k is "about" 20 weeks of payments in most circumstances.

I would report it and ask how I could "get square" with them.

Again, this probably happens all the time. Buried in all the fine
print is probably some regular way of "getting square" with the
unemployment agency. There are probably people who make
far more than that $6k and who pay the system back.

There are probably others who get a felony record, but there
is probably no room in the jails for such a felon.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:12 PM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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Hasn't this subject been hashed enough? Lots of folks get away with bucking the system but sometimes it turns around and bites you. You did what many do, you're not unique in doing so, but you're one of those who might get caught.

I completely understand the posters here who take on a stance of moral majority where taxation is concerned. There's always that long-running stance about how "WE (the taxpayers) are paying for you!".

And it's just not that simple. So the OP made $8000 under the table. Yes it was a bad and yes he's going to have to deal with the IRS on that score, maybe perhaps have to deal with unemployment benefits and of course he's being naive but knocking him for what he did doesn't help either him or anyone else in his situation.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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Every week, a person on unemployment has to state that
they didn't earn money that week to get their check.

Stating that you didn't when you really did is a lie.
A lie, by definition, is dishonest.

Since the unemployment system in pretty much every state
is bleeding money, working out a payment plan would probably
be doable if FloridaEagle is up-front about it.

$6k is "about" 20 weeks of payments in most circumstances.

I would report it and ask how I could "get square" with them.

Again, this probably happens all the time. Buried in all the fine
print is probably some regular way of "getting square" with the
unemployment agency. There are probably people who make
far more than that $6k and who pay the system back.

There are probably others who get a felony record, but there
is probably no room in the jails for such a felon.
You have never been in front of a judge trying to explain a lie as being dishonest when you told that lie to a federal employee. Believe me you will be charged with violating the law, not with telling a lie.

Best thing this guy can do is fess up and pay whatever taxes and fines are handed to him.

In the future he should also think twice before breaking the law. And you can sugar coat this all you want. This guy knew what he was doing when he broke the law, he just didn't know the firm who paid him was going to 1099 him.


busta
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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Wow, you're in a really bad predicament.

Normally, I would tell you to hand the info over for the feds, but more than likely, I think 1099 info also gets reported to the state as well.

Here's my advice, go to a TAX specialist in your state (attorney or accountant) to get more info. I would not risk this with a messageboard.

I've already read horror stories from folks on the net where after they began working again, their state UE told them that they were overpaid and/or never should have received payments or some nonsense and they wanted thousands of dollars back. If they didn't voluntarily make payments their wages would be garnished.

I would tell them I can't give you that info and why are you asking for it now after I already did my taxes?? It's 2009, NO, I won't give it to you or something to that affect.

How is unemployment or the feds gonna know it was you, unless they decide to audit your bank statements or something?

Yeah, I think you should immediately PAY to talk to a tax professional in regards to this. They would know better.
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