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Old 02-23-2011, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Some T-1 Line
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Looks like the possibility of Federal government workers being furloughed is becoming more likely than not. An article link is attached below for your review.

Pay is no guarantee for furloughed employees (2/22/11) -- GovExec.com

If so, do you think government workers should be reimbursed - or should I say paid - for the time they miss off of work while the politicians straighten out the budget?

Here are things - both for and against - to consider before you answer:
1) These are hard-economic times for the country
2) Federal government workers do not make the budget
3) The President, politicians, defense, health care, homeland security and other "essential" employees will not be affected; thus, they will get paid
4) Federal government, for the most part, is not profit-driven
5) The last shutdown occured in 1995 to 1996 for at least 2 weeks, there were some impacts, but none have had long-term effects on the country's infrastructure
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle, originally from SF Bay Area
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It sometimes seems like we'd all be better off if the government shuts down for a while. I would feel badly for the employees, though, it's the politicians that should go without pay.
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I'm thinking it would probably be more expensive not to pay them. Think about the large scale pay recalculations that would have to be made.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:24 PM
 
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As a government employee it seems wrong that we have to carry the brunt of the failure of the politicans to come to an agreement. It is sad that our politicans who have had many months to come to agreement can not do it. I am very willing to carry out a furlough if it were spread over the year - I woudl be willing to give a day a month. However to miss a paycheck in these economic times would only create more isssues. I live in a two government worker family and we would have no pay.....government employees are responsible to be 'fiscally responsible' how can we be if stripped of our pay at no fault of our own.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:58 PM
 
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I don't know. I'm kinda torn on this.

Civil servants have always had the attitude that they could NEVER be fired, because the unions are always there for them. They also know that they could do the barest minimums in work and STILL get a raise no matter what.

I believe this is why trying to get a civil service job is so difficult nowadays. They don't want people who will be a drain on the system.

Many furloughed employees WILL be fired. I know they believe it will save their jobs, but it might not. This will be the government's way of cleaning out "dead weight", close out that position, then reopen another one basically doing the same thing, but adding a couple of extra job duties to it to cover themselves.

Furlough means NO PAY. This can severely impact one's income depending on what they have going on.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:45 PM
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Not all civil servants are unionized; in fact, more federal employees aren't unionized than are. Should a furlough occur, it basically becomes an unpaid vacation for government workers. I work for a federal regulatory agency, and right now we aren't optimistic that Congress can avoid a furlough.

I disagree that furloughs are a means of conveniently disposing of employees. Budget cuts will do that, not a shutdown while they fight over appropriations.

I do agree however that it seems unfair that our federal workers pay the price for the inability of politicians to reach a sensible agreement. But that's the risk you take when you become a civil servant. When I took this job, it wasn't because I knew I couldn't be fired. I took it because I wanted to serve our country in any way I could. If serving this country means I have to spend a week with no pay (though a week seems like a long time--the aforementioned 2 weeks in the mid 90s was the exception rather than the rule), then okay.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:46 PM
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However, it should also be noted that I am single with no kids. An extended furlough could devestate a family, especially if both incomes were from government jobs!
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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No pay, but eligible for unemployment benefits, the same as anyone else who was laid off through no fault of their own.
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by bisjoe View Post
It sometimes seems like we'd all be better off if the government shuts down for a while. I would feel badly for the employees, though, it's the politicians that should go without pay.
You need to remember federal government employees are superior to you and it will do you well to remember to always respect your betters.

The first of the two government shutdowns in 1995-1996 lasted only six days, from November 14 to November 20. Following the six-day shutdown, the Clinton administration released an estimate of what the six days of an idled federal government had cost.

Lost Dollars: The six-day shutdown cost taxpayers about $800 million, including $400 million to furloughed federal employees who were paid, but did not report to work and another $400 million in lost revenue in the four days that the IRS enforcement divisions were closed.

In other words federal employees suffered greatly by having to endure yet another paid vacation. Due to angst and mental suffering maybe the federal government will do the right thing the next time by paying double time for time not worked. Could we all not agree this would only be fair?

On Animal Farm you should always remember all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

Do I sound bitter? Yeah, I am.
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Old 02-25-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Hell no, govt workers should not get paid during a furlough!

I don't get paid if I don't work, regardless of the reason why (no holidays, no sick pay, no health insurance, nothing!). Federal employees have tons of benefits already.
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