What are you expectations from an employer?

[kevinm]

I "expect" only to be paid for my labor. I will create my own opportunities for training and/or advancement.

[bobtn]

I've always known either my present employer will create opportunities for me, or someone else will, and I learned early on, if one really wants to create a lasting impresion, to make sure if at all possible, to leave at the most critical time for you to be there. Pretend all is well, so no backup plans are in place. At one job quite some time ago, when I left 3 people shared my functions remotely in addition to their own jobs, and there was such bad will about being overworked, 2 of them who previously were not in the market, quit within 3 months of doing double-duty.

[h0tmess]

Where is "livable wage"??

[Z3N1TH 0N3]

Originally Posted by bobtn

I've always known either my present employer will create opportunities for me, or someone else will, and I learned early on, if one really wants to create a lasting impresion, to make sure if at all possible, to leave at the most critical time for you to be there. Pretend all is well, so no backup plans are in place. At one job quite some time ago, when I left 3 people shared my functions remotely in addition to their own jobs, and there was such bad will about being overworked, 2 of them who previously were not in the market, quit within 3 months of doing double-duty.

You are so right. Honestly, let's be serious with each other. The ONLY way to make it in Corporate America is to play the game. You have to have leverage if you want to get anywhere in your career, particularly wthin the same organization. It is and has always been that way. We shouldn't lie to the kids anymore about this. Let's just be brutally honest with them from now on and tell them how it REALLY is. I know I will be.

[bobtn]

Z3NITH, I'd explain it a different way, but conceptually we agree. I played very competitive doubles tennis in a group of over 40 people for 12 years, with several of us able to compete against tennis club pros (not same as actual pro, but skilled). One day I had just finished winning with fav partner against a super team. We reformed teams and split up, as next twosome coming on court would have been hopelessly mismatched against us. I shook my partners hand, congratulated him, switched sides, and with him at net as opponent buzzed the first return I got within inches of his ear. Chin music, just like knocking the batter out of the box. Yes a fair part of the game, and when he did the same to me on occasion, I respected him for doing so. Corp America is much the same way. I favor the low corp tax route as a means to create super low unemployment, thus tilting supply/demand in favor of the former. But there is No room for warm and fuzzy feelings.