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Unread 08-19-2011, 01:05 AM
 
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I think you have to have health insurance to get birth control, but yea having tons of kids just makes your poverty problem worse. But I am all for having lots of sex just use the birth control.
Condoms are a form of birth control.

And health insurance makes birth control pills cheaper, but there are other ways to obtain them, like going to Planned Parenthood.

 
Unread 08-19-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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I agree with this for one important reason. When your out on your own, and there is no turning back, something changes in your mind. All those rules and boundaries are out the window. Those clear and paved paths that you are traditionally supposed to follow are meaningless. You start becoming resourceful, and pay a lot more attention to the world. If your smart, you start to think of atypical solutions to issues you may face.

When a problem arises, the easy answer is to move back in with the parents. When that is no longer an option, you find the next easiest answer, or perhaps answers. There are always other options, and chances to take. Moving back home is the most common solution because it's risk free and hassle free, compared to the chance of living on the street perhaps. Becoming independent of your parents is really not the first step to becoming a true adult, but probably the most significant.
What I feel that you’re missing is that the job situation has been deteriorating for the average person for many decades. In the past ten years, and especially I the past three, it’s gotten so bad that many cannot even find minimum wage jobs. I feel that you’re obviously missing what happens to these young adults, and with what you’ve just responded with doesn’t make people “responsible” it makes them homeless, and that’s why many are squatting in vacant homes, living in tent cities, and a few are turning to suicide.

I implore you to read this what this person has said

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I don't know. I get a little tired of people who think adults who live with parents are lazy mooches who enjoy sitting around watching TV. Does anyone here enjoy living with parents? HELL NO!!!

I was DEVASTATED when I had to move back in with parents. I can honestly say that since moving in and enduring a hopeless job search, I have thought about suicide multiple times. I gave up a beautiful apartment and had to leave all my friends and the church I loved behind in Arizona to move back to Indiana. Needless to say, I have been back home over a year and can't seem to make friends here.

I live out of suitcases and boxes. I can't find anything. I miss my beautiful apartment that was organized and clean.

Plus, the constant pressure about my job search from my parents is hurtful. They keep asking what is wrong with me and I just can't take it anymore. I have applied everywhere in this God-awful place and can't even get a ****ty minimum wage job.
I come from a manufacturing background where I was employed for ten years. My income was more than double the national average, so when I lost my job it was devastating. It was a life changing event. Minimum wage jobs were hard to find. During the many interviews I had, several human resource people would blatantly ask me, “How do you feel about working for 1/6th of what you were formerly earning.” How am I supposed to respond to that? “Oh! I’m overjoyed! I was sick of the fascism of material wealth. I want to come work for you so I don’t even have enough money for a cheap apartment in the ghetto, to feed myself, and forget about a car! I’m going to walk the five miles each way to work because I can’t afford bus fare. When can I start?"

With the job loss, came the loss of a modest home as well as a non-working wife walking out because I could no longer support her or our son. She also took our son with her, so in addition to not earning enough money to cover a shait apartment in a rundown ghetto, nearly half of my pay went towards taxes and child support. Now where, may I ask, am I to live on 100 - 150 dollars a week net income after working forty hours? Not to mention the culture shock of moving from an all white crime free suburban neighborhood to a black ghetto where gunshots, drugs, and crime was rampant. Oh it was wonderful!

Like redroses777, many people, including myself felt like, attempted, or committed suicide. Dean Hoshower, who worked with me, bought a modest row home in a small town near the factory. He had a non-working wife, and three children under the age of six. Once he lost his job, he lost his house, the wife left, and he lost his three children that he loved dearly to a divorce. Facing homelessness along with his other losses, he simply got heavily intoxicated, sat on the tracks at the railroad crossing in Richland, Pennsylvania, and let an eastbound CONRAIL freight train run him over. Of the 300 hourly employees, at least a dozen did what Mr. Hoshower did because they were facing the same problems.

To people that think it’s as simple as adult children living at home are lazy, I surely hope that you do not suffer the devastation of a job loss, losing everything in your life, and face no gainful employment prospects for several years to come because it’s down right demoralizing and the steady diet of humble pie that you’ll be eating will not taste well…

Wake up. There aren’t enough jobs for everybody that needs one. Moreover, of the remaining jobs available, most of them might as well pay nothing because inflation has negated their wages.

Adult children living at home should be a clear warning sign of economic woes to come for all of us, including those of you that are currently making it.
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Originally Posted by redroses777 View Post
I don't know. I get a little tired of people who think adults who live with parents are lazy mooches who enjoy sitting around watching TV. Does anyone here enjoy living with parents? HELL NO!!!

I was DEVASTATED when I had to move back in with parents. I can honestly say that since moving in and enduring a hopeless job search, I have thought about suicide multiple times. I gave up a beautiful apartment and had to leave all my friends and the church I loved behind in Arizona to move back to Indiana. Needless to say, I have been back home over a year and can't seem to make friends here.

I live out of suitcases and boxes. I can't find anything. I miss my beautiful apartment that was organized and clean.

Plus, the constant pressure about my job search from my parents is hurtful. They keep asking what is wrong with me and I just can't take it anymore. I have applied everywhere in this God-awful place and can't even get a ****ty minimum wage job.
This ^^

I feel that pain. While me and my mother are living together to make ends meet, it's unspoken that she is the queen bee of the house. If I want to do something that she doesn't agree with, it's like a giant obstacle that I have to get around somehow. It's hard because she is uber religious, not to mention extremely conservative (in spite of being poor lol), so often our views clash. It's not easy at 47 to beg for approval to have a few beers after a long days work. She doesn't drink (only smokes), so doesn't see the need for escapism once in a while.

She also is meek whereas I am assertive, which gets us into further trouble when I want to confront our landlord about unfixed things or even fixed things that end up costing us more money (for instance a water leakage from the kitchen sink that he supposedly fixed), but my mother won't hear of it. She kowtows to the Man wayyyy too much IMO.

No. Living with parents especially when you're my age is definitely not a good time. Most especially because you are forever 16 in their eyes no matter what your chronological age is.

A lot of people may think it's lazy and that those who live with the 'rents are living life on easy street, but that's just not true. You pay a price and that price is pretty much them running your life.
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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What I feel that you’re missing is that the job situation has been deteriorating for the average person for many decades. In the past ten years, and especially I the past three, it’s gotten so bad that many cannot even find minimum wage jobs. I feel that you’re obviously missing what happens to these young adults, and with what you’ve just responded with doesn’t make people “responsible” it makes them homeless, and that’s why many are squatting in vacant homes, living in tent cities, and a few are turning to suicide.

I implore you to read this what this person has said



I come from a manufacturing background where I was employed for ten years. My income was more than double the national average, so when I lost my job it was devastating. It was a life changing event. Minimum wage jobs were hard to find. During the many interviews I had, several human resource people would blatantly ask me, “How do you feel about working for 1/6th of what you were formerly earning.” How am I supposed to respond to that? “Oh! I’m overjoyed! I was sick of the fascism of material wealth. I want to come work for you so I don’t even have enough money for a cheap apartment in the ghetto, to feed myself, and forget about a car! I’m going to walk the five miles each way to work because I can’t afford bus fare. When can I start?"

With the job loss, came the loss of a modest home as well as a non-working wife walking out because I could no longer support her or our son. She also took our son with her, so in addition to not earning enough money to cover a shait apartment in a rundown ghetto, nearly half of my pay went towards taxes and child support. Now where, may I ask, am I to live on 100 - 150 dollars a week net income after working forty hours? Not to mention the culture shock of moving from an all white crime free suburban neighborhood to a black ghetto where gunshots, drugs, and crime was rampant. Oh it was wonderful!

Like redroses777, many people, including myself felt like, attempted, or committed suicide. Dean Hoshower, who worked with me, bought a modest row home in a small town near the factory. He had a non-working wife, and three children under the age of six. Once he lost his job, he lost his house, the wife left, and he lost his three children that he loved dearly to a divorce. Facing homelessness along with his other losses, he simply got heavily intoxicated, sat on the tracks at the railroad crossing in Richland, Pennsylvania, and let an eastbound CONRAIL freight train run him over. Of the 300 hourly employees, at least a dozen did what Mr. Hoshower did because they were facing the same problems.

To people that think it’s as simple as adult children living at home are lazy, I surely hope that you do not suffer the devastation of a job loss, losing everything in your life, and face no gainful employment prospects for several years to come because it’s down right demoralizing and the steady diet of humble pie that you’ll be eating will not taste well…

Wake up. There aren’t enough jobs for everybody that needs one. Moreover, of the remaining jobs available, most of them might as well pay nothing because inflation has negated their wages.

Adult children living at home should be a clear warning sign of economic woes to come for all of us, including those of you that are currently making it.
Yes, I understand the stress of the times. I work in manufacturing, and took wage cuts to keep my job until I was finally laid off. And laid off at the following job. I ended up leaving state because things were so bad. Times are extremely uncertain for me, and most everyone my age. I know it's difficult, and I'm sorry to hear about some of the people stuck living with parents. There is no fun in that I'm sure.

But here's a thought... After my layoff, I started doing a job I had no experience in, homecare. The wages ranged from $10-$12 and I really enjoyed the work. Since I was not prepared to ask my family for any help, I worked this job for nearly a year, and loved it. I mean, there are jobs out there, but they aren't always the jobs people are looking to do. In times like these, you have to scrounge.
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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I think if so many people did not have mommy and daddy to go home to we would be in the early stages of a civil war. There is a bottom to the downward spiral and its when people start shooting each other over resources.
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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I think if so many people did not have mommy and daddy to go home to we would be in the early stages of a civil war. There is a bottom to the downward spiral and its when people start shooting each other over resources.
Have you ever seen the movie "Alive"...about the rugby players whose plane crashed in the Andes ?

Or Lord of the Flies ?

This is what we are coming to.

Great post, High
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I think if so many people did not have mommy and daddy to go home to we would be in the early stages of a civil war. There is a bottom to the downward spiral and its when people start shooting each other over resources.
Well, when mommy and daddy can no longer afford the cable bill, maybe it will come to this. Once inflation kicks in full force, you going to see a lot of angry, broke, disenfranchised people. Either that, or people will just shrug it off and say, "oh well, what can I do?"
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 06:07 PM
 
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But here's a thought... After my layoff, I started doing a job I had no experience in, homecare. The wages ranged from $10-$12 and I really enjoyed the work. Since I was not prepared to ask my family for any help, I worked this job for nearly a year, and loved it. I mean, there are jobs out there, but they aren't always the jobs people are looking to do. In times like these, you have to scrounge.
Ah, hell. I have been looking for jobs I have zero experience in. I have applied for everything from fast food, waiting tables, banking, to factory work. In my area, restaurants aren't hiring. Factories are laying off.

If I were not an asthmatic, I would join the military to get out of this hell known as unemployment and my parents house. I have considered lying about having asthma, but unfortunately I have symptoms now and then, so it would be hard to hide.
 
Unread 08-19-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Ah, hell. I have been looking for jobs I have zero experience in. I have applied for everything from fast food, waiting tables, banking, to factory work. In my area, restaurants aren't hiring. Factories are laying off.

If I were not an asthmatic, I would join the military to get out of this hell known as unemployment and my parents house. I have considered lying about having asthma, but unfortunately I have symptoms now and then, so it would be hard to hide.
Believe me, I feel you pain. I pray every night for things to turn around in this country. I pray to god that this job is going to be the one I work for 10+ years. I told you what I did as a suggestion. Perhaps also as a measure of the times. Before those $10 an hour jobs, I could have walked into any job in my field for $18/hr bare minimum. Yet there I was wiping butts 50 hours a week to get by. Like I said, this recession has not been pleasant for any of us.

You may have mentioned this already, but did you try applying to jobs out of state? If you have a college degree, and thought of working outside the country? How about earning certifications, or short training programs? I mean, if applying to every job isn't producing results, maybe it's time to consider a plan B. I wish there was a clear answer to your situation, but these are crazy times.
 
Unread 08-23-2011, 07:23 AM
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As I read the accounts described herein, I am sincerely saddened by the plight of so many of you. In some, I read desperation. In others, I read a loss of faith and hope. It is saddening to know that so many suffer such dire predicaments.

I encourage all:

- to not lose faith and hope in self, country and a higher power

- to believe that just because something is difficult does not mean it's impossible

- to expand your boundaries and dare to bite off more than you can chew

- to realize that sacrifice is part of everyday life

- to be persistent and determined

- to understand that there is nothing wrong with your life if things aren't abosolutely perfect right now

- to surround yourselves with as many positive, successful and responsible people as you can

- to never, ever, ever quit no matter what

- to reach out to a less fortunate soul, and make it your purpose to make a positive difference in that person's life

To those who have taken the time to send private messages, I thank you and pray that what we shared will make a positive difference in your lives.

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