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Old 05-27-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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^^ Right. Plus, what if you die before retirement?? Then your entire life would have been committed to slaving away at a job you hate.
I think it's a pretty poor plan even if it's a job you love.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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The Americans and not just the Americans need to understand that we're all competing in this World. There is no reason why an American or a British or a French should have a higher salary than ... a Chinese. They're both as productive and they both can do the same jobs. Why would the American have a 10 times higher salary? Just because some people in the country were smart it doesn't mean all are (and that's what happened in the Western World... because of the legislation and the culture some people had the right place to develop their ideas... the rest of us just got the benefits).
If you want a big wage, vacation and so on... try to build something great and don't do the same thing that EVERYONE in the world is able to do at least as good as you!
The other day Tata fired 1500 British workers because they were lazy... a lot of westerners have no idea in what World are we living and how hard some people work in other places.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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The Americans and not just the Americans need to understand that we're all competing in this World. There is no reason why an American or a British or a French should have a higher salary than ... a Chinese. They're both as productive and they both can do the same jobs. Why would the American have a 10 times higher salary? Just because some people in the country were smart it doesn't mean all are (and that's what happened in the Western World... because of the legislation and the culture some people had the right place to develop their ideas... the rest of us just got the benefits).
If you want a big wage, vacation and so on... try to build something great and don't do the same thing that EVERYONE in the world is able to do at least as good as you!
The other day Tata fired 1500 British workers because they were lazy... a lot of westerners have no idea in what World are we living and how hard some people work in other places.
Its becasue there is no fear of retaliation (which is a by product of lazyness). Companies feel freer to exploit people becuase there have been no meaningful civil uprisings in hundreds of years. Why shouldent the people benifit from good ideas of their country men, after all isent that exactly what CEO's and corporations are doing, the CEO did not invent the telephone but they sure did exploit the idea, how is that any different. The whole thing is a giant scam. Its all about who has the enforcement to exploit (ie law enforcement or security). Corporations have been creating a slave class for the last 200 years.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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Its becasue there is no fear of retaliation (which is a by product of lazyness). Companies feel freer to exploit people becuase there have been no meaningful civil uprisings in hundreds of years. Why shouldent the people benifit from good ideas of their country men, after all isent that exactly what CEO's and corporations are doing, the CEO did not invent the telephone but they sure did exploit the idea, how is that any different. The whole thing is a giant scam. Its all about who has the enforcement to exploit (ie law enforcement or security). Corporations have been creating a slave class for the last 200 years.
The resources are limited. A civil uprising in today is the worst thing someone can do... The Western World already has more benefits than it deserves and a quality of life higher that it can afford. As I said... today we have absolutely no advantage over people in China or Nigeria for example. They can easily do the jobs that most people in Europe or North America do. And sometimes they can do them better.
Now... there is this crazy idea in the Western World that one DESERVES to have a house, a car and so on. That's just wrong... those are luxuries... there aren't enough resources in the world for all these stupid things that we want.
If you want a vacation and a house and a car then work for them, invent something, do something creative... otherwise live in a smaller house, without a car, without 1000 gadgets and you'll have enough to get a vacation.
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Old 05-27-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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Why do people feel that their employers should pay them for 30 days on non production upon being hired?

I can understand working your way into vacation time, but what about earning it 1st?
Because now we have an economy where job changes are the norm rather than the exception

A 50 year old who has been working for 30 years has to restart their vacation accrual merely because they have a new job (often after losing a previous job due to reorganization which is no fault of their own)

People change jobs all the time these days....it makes no sense to have to re-earn vacation time every time they start a new job.

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Old 05-27-2011, 10:35 PM
 
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It makes all the sense in the world to me. A new job means starting over.
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Old 05-27-2011, 10:50 PM
 
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It makes all the sense in the world to me. A new job means starting over.
It's an outdated tradition in an economy where most people switch jobs many times in a career. Most people are not working at the same job for 30 years anymore.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:29 PM
 
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It's an outdated tradition in an economy where most people switch jobs many times in a career. Most people are not working at the same job for 30 years anymore.
Everyone has the right to negotiate whatever they want when they take a new job. If someone feels they are entitled to more vacation they can ask for it.

Don't like what they offer, don't take the job.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:37 PM
 
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[quote=therock2814;19343384]Because now we have an economy where job changes are the norm rather than the exception

A 50 year old who has been working for 30 years has to restart their vacation accrual merely because they have a new job (often after losing a previous job due to reorganization which is no fault of their own)

People change jobs all the time these days....it makes no sense to have to re-earn vacation time every time they start a new job.[/quote]




Or, in my case, working for nine years at the same firm and having your job "reclassified" (changed from salary to hourly). When they did that to me, in addition to a pay cut, they decreased my vacation from three weeks a year to FIVE DAYS A YEAR.
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