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Old 06-20-2011, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Politics aside, I'd like to address the issue of employers vs employees, and the cause of our chronically high unemployment.

It's become quite clear to me that corporations no longer care about their employees on a massive, pervasive scale - shipping jobs overseas and trimming pay and benefits just to save a few pennies to the ever-so-important "shareholders". Do these greedy corporations not understand the meaning of "treason"? For that's exactly what it is - harming the social fabric of this country just to save a buck or two.

In my world, all corporations would have to operate as giant charities, with the overriding goal of promoting full employment at high pay and great benefits, as opposed to making "profit", which only enriches the few. I'd guarantee a job (a good job, not some min wage crap at the burger hut) for every American that wishes to work and earn a living. People generally do NOT want a hand-out, they want a JOB. Preferably one that pays the bills.

But what angers me the most is all the horror stories I read in this forum of how employers treat their employees - it's like they think of the lowly employee as a piece of chattel, rather than a real, live human being. The can fire people at the drop of a hat, for no reason whatsoever, and yet they make it damn near impossible to get a job - what with credit checks, past 10 years of work history, and don't forget to mention that "gap", or you'll be fired on your first day of work should they find out. Ugh, this makes me so mad and upset.

It's beyond clear that capitalism is an utter, complete failure, and it's time to do something drastically different in my beloved United States. It's time to give all the rights to the employees and strip the corporations of all the rights they clearly don't deserve. We need to impose high tariffs on ALL imports, to spur domestic production, we need to make ALL natural resources part of the "commons", which means all proceeds from the harvesting of natural resources go to benefit the public, rather than the elite few. In short, we need a leader like this dude: Huey Long - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If he had made it to President as opposed to being gunned down, I honestly believe we would be living in an age of peace and prosperity beyond our wildest dreams.

Today, employers have all the chips, and the employees have none. All of us need to band together and take back what's rightfully ours, the right to have a GOOD job, at GOOD pay, with GOOD benefits. Nothing less is acceptable. And I mean that, 100%.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:08 AM
 
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How many jobs have you created? Has your not-for-profit, create high-paying jobs philosophy worked for you?
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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It's become quite clear to me that corporations no longer care about their employees on a massive
Corporations maximizing profit at the expense of employees is not a new phenomenon, this offshoring you are noting is because there wasn't as much overseas production/service capacity to utilize in the past

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It's beyond clear that capitalism is an utter, complete failure
As evidenced by the living standard of the people in the United States versus Cuba or North Korea, or by the swelling middle class in China.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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Politics aside, I'd like to address the issue of employers vs employees, and the cause of our chronically high unemployment.

It's become quite clear to me that corporations no longer care about their employees on a massive, pervasive scale - shipping jobs overseas and trimming pay and benefits just to save a few pennies to the ever-so-important "shareholders". Do these greedy corporations not understand the meaning of "treason"? For that's exactly what it is - harming the social fabric of this country just to save a buck or two.

In my world, all corporations would have to operate as giant charities, with the overriding goal of promoting full employment at high pay and great benefits, as opposed to making "profit", which only enriches the few. I'd guarantee a job (a good job, not some min wage crap at the burger hut) for every American that wishes to work and earn a living. People generally do NOT want a hand-out, they want a JOB. Preferably one that pays the bills.

But what angers me the most is all the horror stories I read in this forum of how employers treat their employees - it's like they think of the lowly employee as a piece of chattel, rather than a real, live human being. The can fire people at the drop of a hat, for no reason whatsoever, and yet they make it damn near impossible to get a job - what with credit checks, past 10 years of work history, and don't forget to mention that "gap", or you'll be fired on your first day of work should they find out. Ugh, this makes me so mad and upset.

It's beyond clear that capitalism is an utter, complete failure, and it's time to do something drastically different in my beloved United States. It's time to give all the rights to the employees and strip the corporations of all the rights they clearly don't deserve. We need to impose high tariffs on ALL imports, to spur domestic production, we need to make ALL natural resources part of the "commons", which means all proceeds from the harvesting of natural resources go to benefit the public, rather than the elite few. In short, we need a leader like this dude: Huey Long - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If he had made it to President as opposed to being gunned down, I honestly believe we would be living in an age of peace and prosperity beyond our wildest dreams.

Today, employers have all the chips, and the employees have none. All of us need to band together and take back what's rightfully ours, the right to have a GOOD job, at GOOD pay, with GOOD benefits. Nothing less is acceptable. And I mean that, 100%.
I think it is beyond clear that the typical American household has been living dramatically beyond their means for years and it is finally catching up with them. You claim that you "don't want a handout, you want a job", but yet you created a post doing nothing but whine about employers not just giving you a job with great benefits.

Here is a hint about how management thinks: If you add value to the business, if you add to the goal of the business (adding value to shareholder's wealth), then you will NEVER be fired. If you want a job with good benefits, stop complaining and prove to your boss that you deserve it.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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At the end of the day aren't the bosses, hr, the CEO and all of the execs employees too?
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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At the end of the day aren't the bosses, hr, the CEO and all of the execs employees too?
Yes. In a public company, everyone works for the shareholders in order to make them more money. That is the sole point of a public company.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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Yes. In a public company, everyone works for the shareholders in order to make them more money. That is the sole point of a public company.
Actually, in business 101, you are taught that a business has two purposes. First one is profit for stakeholders. Second is to provide society with a product or service that gives value to society.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Stuck on the East Coast, hoping to head West
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I dunno--I'm generally a business-minded person who doesn't expect anything more than a fair paycheck from my employer. But corporations don't play fair. If I screw up, I face the consequences. Corporations screw up, they get a handout. So, yeah, that disconnect between corporate behavior in the market place and monetary reward does make all the arguments for employers a bit hollow. At this point, I do often feel that it is employee versus employer.

It would definitely be in the employer's best interest to care about their employees or at least take some type of personal interest. Case in point: My employer is sitting on a gold mine of underutilized skill sets. The bottom line is this: If I didn't have to work so hard to protect my job; I would definitely DO a better job.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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Actually, in business 101, you are taught that a business has two purposes. First one is profit for stakeholders. Second is to provide society with a product or service that gives value to society.
Giving society a valuable product doesn't matter if shareholders are making money.

What business 101 class ever taught that the product/service must give value to society? That is a means to the end goal of increasing shareholder wealth. It is not a goal in and of itself. If you want to benefit society, take your personal money and give it back.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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And who are the shareholders? Everyday people who invest in the market with their 401K's and their mutual funds. Employees are shareholders. Collectively, we have created the system we have demanded.
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