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[radraja]

Originally Posted by BingCherry

Requiring a BSN (4-5 year commitment) would deter AND weed out a lot of trash. People go NUTS over going into nursing because you can "get your degree in 2 years and make loads of $$$$"....or so they think.

Yeah. And that's complete foolishness on their part. I know that a lot of hospitals ONLY want RNs with bachelors degrees.

[andywire]

Originally Posted by radraja

Yeah. And that's complete foolishness on their part. I know that a lot of hospitals ONLY want RNs with bachelors degrees.

If this is true than a lot of A.A. degree holders have been lied to. 2 years ago, every source imaginable stated that the A.A. and bachelors degree were viewed equally among employers, and no one questioned it or found evidence to suggest otherwise.

Originally Posted by bisjoe

After the many recent graduates that thought there was a shortage get jobs there might really be one. There's an aging population that will need a medical attention, already started. Here near me they just opened a full service brand new hospital, and 3 others are expanding.

Swedish Medical Center Seattle - Swedish/Issaquah Grand Opening Event

When nurses can be assigned to 8 patients per shift, it's no wonder so many investments are being made in the healthcare industry. They're probably raking in money hand over fist!

[radraja]

Originally Posted by andywire

If this is true than a lot of A.A. degree holders have been lied to. 2 years ago, every source imaginable stated that the A.A. and bachelors degree were viewed equally among employers, and no one questioned it or found evidence to suggest otherwise.

I think it's one of those unspoken things. A bachelors degree may not be listed as a requirement for employment, but because there are so many new nurses entering the market each year, hospitals can be selective with who they want to hire. Everything else being equal, that BSN is going to look good compared to an AA.

Of course, this may vary by location.

I know that it's a big thing out here for nurses with associates degrees to go back to school for the BSN. Much better job prospects, or so they say.

[military spouse]

I believe there is a nursing shortage in certain areas, but those are becoming more limited. I'm fortunate that I've always been able to find a job, but it definately isn't what it once was. I think most nurses have to think twice before resigning from their current position.

[ReturningWest]

Ugh this subject has been done to death but I will AGAIN post these two links...THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE

*UNEMPLOYED NURSES* - Nursing for Nurses

Are colleges oversupplying nurses? | MinnEcon | Minnesota Public Radio

I graduated from PN school in '72, my program was at a CC and it was very tough, it was based on the old Diploma school RN program...Lots of clinical hours. We worked a whole shift as students and did our class room work (theory) before and after...long days, but I was prepaired for the jobs I was hired for. At the time my PN school had MORE clinical hours than any ADN or BSN program in the state.

When the ADN programs were created they were meant for LPN's, CNA's, Medics etc. who had a medical back ground and years of experience, NOT like they are today were anyone off the street can get their RN in 2 years. But that is also a mis-representation, to get your 2 year RN you have to also take 1 year of pre-reqs BEFORE you can get admited to the program.

The BSN programs have gotten away from clinical hours too and they have way too much "fluff" classes.

Both ADN's and BSN's new grads now require long preceptorships in order to be safe and functional and with the economy these preceptorships have gone by the way side. The hospitals shouldn't be required to train these new nurses they should be able to do the job they went to school for.

The whole nurse education model needs to be revamped. They need to go back to hospital based programs like the old Diploma programs...those new grads could hit the ground running with minimal orientation, they were great to work with and OH so well prepaired unlike the new grads of today.

There is NO nursing shortage with all the for profit schools churning out plus the traditional CC's and Colleges new grads who can't get work - just look at the chart on the 2nd link I provided. So many people went the ADN route to get a money making job. When I went to school it was considered a "calling". Nursing is a very very difficult job and the stats on retention is shocking, within 5 years nurses either quit or find a job that is not patient centered and still there is NO NURSING SHORTAGE.

[BingCherry]

The BSN is definitely the knew requirement. Of course the ADN programs will sugar coat and sell you on that Associates. Let's face it, receptionists are practically required to have a Bachelor's these days! Why wouldn't someone else, who is dealing with someones life, be expected to have less?

Yes, it's the unspoken truth.

PS. Even the amount of baby boomers going into nursing home will ONLY absorb about 1/3 of the jobless nurses. Stop believing the lies people, there are WAY more nurses than needed and it's getting worse by the day. Look up the amount of nursing programs churning out grads. You'll be terrified.

[BingCherry]

Where is the explanation from the bright guys that voted YES? I don't see any on the thread. I made the poll public because I feel people are much more honest when it's public.

[bluebelt1234]

Originally Posted by BingCherry

Requiring a BSN (4-5 year commitment) would deter AND weed out a lot of trash. People go NUTS over going into nursing because you can "get your degree in 2 years and make loads of $$$$"....or so they think.

The community college near me has become really strict about who they let into the nursing program. They will only accept you if you have straight A's in all prerequisites and score high on the TEAS. They don't maintain a waitlist so if you can't ace anatomy 1 and 2, you can forget about getting into nursing in my area.

This community college does the same thing with other health professions as well. I know like 7% of everyone who applies for the Radiological technology program get accepted. You pretty much have to have straight A's to get into that program as well. They don't maintain a waitlist either.

For other health profession at the community college in my area, your GPA must be 3.5 and higher to get in. They have even made it tough to get into things like phlebotomy. If every university in the country were like this, then we would have fewer unemployed college grads I would think.

People need to stop attending for-profit schools. These have oversaturated the nursing and teaching job markets. You can be a total moron and get a degree from one of these schools and you may not even have to pass clinicals, which would also mean that you would be $80,000-$90,000 in debt with no job.

[yayoi]

The nursing field is glutted where I live. It's so bad that nursing students are even having a hard time finding a place to do their clinicals here.

And yes, the BSN is becoming the norm. My hospital partners with a local university by offering RN-BSN classes on our campus.

[BingCherry]

Originally Posted by bluebelt1234

The community college near me has become really strict about who they let into the nursing program. They will only accept you if you have straight A's in all prerequisites and score high on the TEAS. They don't maintain a waitlist so if you can't ace anatomy 1 and 2, you can forget about getting into nursing in my area.

This community college does the same thing with other health professions as well. I know like 7% of everyone who applies for the Radiological technology program get accepted. You pretty much have to have straight A's to get into that program as well. They don't maintain a waitlist either.

For other health profession at the community college in my area, your GPA must be 3.5 and higher to get in. They have even made it tough to get into things like phlebotomy. If every university in the country were like this, then we would have fewer unemployed college grads I would think.

People need to stop attending for-profit schools. These have oversaturated the nursing and teaching job markets. You can be a total moron and get a degree from one of these schools and you may not even have to pass clinicals, which would also mean that you would be $80,000-$90,000 in debt with no job.

There are STILL state standards at these for-profit schools. Yes, the gpa requirements are lower, at times, because the lower-tuition schools are 3 times more competitive to get into, so they can be SUPER strict with entry requirements.

Nursing just sucks. Profit schools or not. People won't stop attending because they are ignorant idiots that believe there is a shortage and think it's an awesome job with high pay.