Everyone wants you to have experience but no one wants to hire you to get experience (work, hiring)

[WhenWillTheRecessionEnd?]

Originally Posted by redroses777

Well, here in Indiana, the factories are hiring all the time. No, not all of them are going overseas. There is a Toyota factory and a Subaru factory here and they have numerous parts suppliers. Toyota and Subaru are not leaving this country anytime soon since these are foreign companies to begin with.

Anyhow, the parts suppliers are always hiring. Granted, you would be expected to work lots of overtime and get paid $10 an hour, but it is better than fast food or retail. Not to mention with the overtime, you will get paid a heck of a lot more than you would at Walmart. I couldn't find a job earlier this year and got hired on for a medical products manufacturing company. My company has shipped some stuff overseas, but seems to be opening new departments in this country all the time. Anyhow, it is a low paying job. I make $9.50 an hour, but do get some overtime. Next week, I will work 67 hours and get the largest check I have seen in a while. Some of the factories do expect you to work 50-72 hours a week and will hire anyone who can pass a drug screening. Is this what I want to do for the rest of my life? Heck no, but it sure beats sitting around worrying about money all the time. And not to mention with the overtime, I can pay for a few courses to build my skills for a better job.

Most retail and fast food jobs are part-time. Therefore, you would need at least three of them to make ends meet depending on the number of hours.

and you don't need, are not expected to have experience for these factory jobs? is there less competition for them? because if that is true, then i will start to seriously consider them.

[Loops778]

I also don't understand how parents can't tolerate their children being in the house. Everyone needs a safety net and it is obvioulsy not for lack of trying that college graduates can't get decent jobs. Why would parents put additional stress on their kids because of this? If I had a kid in the same situation, I would let them know that if they need to come back home, the basement is all theirs.

[WhenWillTheRecessionEnd?]

so you don't need experience, there is less competition for those factory-type jobs? i'd like more specific detail examples of those type of jobs

[sweeeet]

The Key to getting a job is knowing someone who works there.
Im 50 y/o, and except for a summer census taker job and a legal secretary job that NOBODY wanted, every job I have had in my life since high school - I got because a relative put in a good word, or worked there, or hired me themselves. Where I live, when a job opens up, the first people that know about it are the ones that already work there. And it's their brother, sister, son, daughter, cousin, whatever that will get hired, not any one of the applicants with excellent resumes that apply. I worked as a manager for 10 years and when I had to hire a new employee, I would put the job opening in the paper, but mostly hired someone that my employees knew and could vouch for, training was not a problem. Most employers will not admit to this, obviously.

The best thing to do nowadays, become an RN, the demand is still great, they make very good salaries.

[silenthelpreturns]

I hate to burst your bubble but not everybody "knows someone".

[Rambler123]

Originally Posted by silenthelpreturns

I hate to burst your bubble but not everybody "knows someone".

That, and there is a vast difference between "knowing somebody" and "being a close friend of a hiring manager who is in a position to let you bypass the system."

I know people, sure - other engineers (and people in similar postions), and there isn't a dang thing they can do for me except toss my resume into the corporate blackhole, where it will be ignored in the order in which it was received. Sure, they did that for me, and nothing came of it (what a surprise), but that's about all one can expect.

Out of all the people who were laid off from my former employer, in nearly all cases, the only way any of them found a new job was by using a powerful connection (parent, uncle, aunt, long-time best-friend, etc.) at another company. Skills, abilities, and work ethic rarely matter these days, which stinks since I don't have any connections like that, nor can I time travel backwards 10 years and become the best friend of a manager who would today be in a position to offer me a job.

Finally, as I learned on Friday, my former employer has a hiring freeze in place... except they just hired 2 new young people for no good reason... oh, one's the son of a VP and the other's the daughter of a VP. Gee, it must be nice!

It's all who you know and who you blow these days.

[annerk]

You don't have to be best friends to network. I got a resume from a guy just randomly sending them out once. It looked really good, except he was in AZ and my business is in FL and I didn't have an opening for his skill set at the time. I held on to it though, because, hey, you never know.

A week or so later a colleague told me about an opening in CA for a position that was ideal for the guy who had sent me the resume. I wrote to him and asked if I could forward it, and of course he said yes. I sent it off with a note stating I didn't know the guy from Adam but the resume looked good, and a month later he was working at the place in CA. I've never met this guy, ever. But his cover letter was well written and his resume was solid.

About 15 years ago my brother was mowing my mom's lawn and a neighbor who he didn't really know, just knew he lived down the street, pulled up and asked if he was looking for a job. My brother said yes, and the guy told him to show up that night at UPS and ask for the him. He started working that night and was with UPS for the next 10 years.

You never know.

[redroses777]

Originally Posted by WhenWillTheRecessionEnd?

so you don't need experience, there is less competition for those factory-type jobs? i'd like more specific detail examples of those type of jobs

I work for a medical products manufacturer. They did ask for experience in the ad, but I applied anyway and got the job.

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by redroses777

I work for a medical products manufacturer. They did ask for experience in the ad, but I applied anyway and got the job.

Can you explain exactly how the entire hiring process went for you, and if you have any work experience/education at all?

That way, it'll help out others with little/no experience in their job search.

[RedRage]

Originally Posted by Rambler123

That, and there is a vast difference between "knowing somebody" and "being a close friend of a hiring manager who is in a position to let you bypass the system."

I know people, sure - other engineers (and people in similar potions), and there isn't a dang thing they can do for me except toss my resume into the corporate black hole, where it will be ignored in the order in which it was received. Sure, they did that for me, and nothing came of it (what a surprise), but that's about all one can expect.

Out of all the people who were laid off from my former employer, in nearly all cases, the only way any of them found a new job was by using a powerful connection (parent, uncle, aunt, long-time best-friend, etc.) at another company. Skills, abilities, and work ethic rarely matter these days, which stinks since I don't have any connections like that, nor can I time travel backwards 10 years and become the best friend of a manager who would today be in a position to offer me a job.

Finally, as I learned on Friday, my former employer has a hiring freeze in place... except they just hired 2 new young people for no good reason... oh, one's the son of a VP and the others the daughter of a VP. Gee, it must be nice!

It's all who you know and who you blow these days.

For the bold, it's really sad that well-known corporations care more about connections than merit. My cousin was an accountant (never got paid over-time) for KPMG (a Big 4) and lost her job to an "imbecile" who happened to be a close relative.

I felt really bad for her because she was responsible for training him and all this jerk-off wanted to do was sleep or flirt with the women who worked there while my cousin had to look for a job and put up with this S.O.B. who had connections.

No wonder corporations lose billions here and there due to idiot traders or have serious slip ups, I can only imagine that most of them probably got that job due to connections.