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Really? It's my fault for being around dimwits? I've worked in the same field for 12 years and I'm pretty good at my job. However, it's a very limited field (so I found out when I lost that job last year). I think the consensus here is that men AND women can be hard to work with but seldom can we control what type of environment we work in (especially if the boss doesn't give a hoot or is part of the problem). I think it's crazy to say we should just find another job. In today's world, that simply isn't an option.
Generalizing doesn't help anyone...HOWEVER, I will say that in my experience only, the men I've worked with (at previous jobs) put women in two categories. One's they'd "do" and ones they won't. I do not, apparently, fit into the "do" category (thank God) but I didn't often get the men to recognize me when we had to work together. Terribly insulting. And unfortunately, the women I worked with were just horrible.
In that specific case, I suppose, you could've called me a dimwit for just being there but I needed a paycheck. Oh the things we "normal" people have to put up with!!!
Whatever the case, it was your choices that put you there. Folk just need to understand that others shouldn't be made responsible via negative labels due to those choices.
Yes, my choices. I just wanted to point out that since we can't control others' behaviour and the environment we're in, we're often in a difficult position. I'm sure you don't disagree...and trust me, I didn't blame anyone for me being there other than me. Guess I don't think of myself as a dimwit however, since it ended up being the responsible thing to stay as long as I did.
Yes, my choices. I just wanted to point out that since we can't control others' behaviour and the environment we're in, we're often in a difficult position. I'm sure you don't disagree...and trust me, I didn't blame anyone for me being there other than me. Guess I don't think of myself as a dimwit however, since it ended up being the responsible thing to stay as long as I did.
And yes, gender bashing is total YAWN!
You charged women at large, and that happens to include all of us. Any how, I didn't call you a dimwit, rather that you apparently work with dimwits according to you. Although, I guess birds of a feather could be implied, but that wasn't my intent.
Does anyone else feel this way? I am a woman who has been working with women in a small office for almost 20 years and I simply cannot stand it anymore. Too much pettiness, gossip, talking about each other, bitchiness, etc....and there's only 4 of us in the office! Men just get it out and leave it go. Women hold on to things.
I agree with you. Since women are the 'relationship people', they're not happy unless they know everybody's business. They can't work alone for that long without getting lonely. boohoo. Of course, there are a few exceptions, but not a lot. I'd go with 60/40. 60 being the annoying percentage.
Eh, same old generic crap. Those of you who work in unprofessional environments put yourselves there willingly. There are productive, mature workers of both genders in host of industries. It's your own fault for choosing a profession , company, whatever that is primarily made up of dimwits.
Here's what gets me: so many of these gossiping yentas love to go on and on about how 'unprofessional' some of their coworkers are dressing, but they fail to see that their own gossipy behavior is unprofessional as well, maybe even more so, because they're just standing around idly chitchatting instead of working. Meanwhile Miss 'unprofessionally dressed' is getting her work done while the rest of the hags are standing around worrying about her attire and not getting anything done.
Most male bosses and coworkers act like they don't give a **** how others are dressed.
Also I disagree about it being someone's fault for being stuck with dimwits. I think pretty much all workplaces are the same this way. The only way to avoid it is to get into a male-dominated field or workplace. That can be a breath of fresh air OR it can present its own set of problems for a female worker: sexual harrassment or more likely, being discredited at every turn, which I've had happen to me. Male bosses and coworkers can have ways of sabotaging your work or even your career. Still, the jobs I held the longest were those where my supervisor was a male. When I worked at places where it was more than 70% women (which was usually, because I did pink-collar work), my cramps and PMS were worse, I guess due to all that estrogen in the air.
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Also I disagree about it being someone's fault for being stuck with dimwits. I think pretty much all workplaces are the same this way. The only way to avoid it is to get into a male-dominated field or workplace. That can be a breath of fresh air OR it can present its own set of problems for a female worker: sexual harrassment or more likely, being discredited at every turn, which I've had happen to me. Male bosses and coworkers can have ways of sabotaging your work or even your career. Still, the jobs I held the longest were those where my supervisor was a male. When I worked at places where it was more than 70% women (which was usually, because I did pink-collar work), my cramps and PMS were worse, I guess due to all that estrogen in the air.
As I noted, at least 50% of the people I work with, probably more, are women. Although, it is not a pink collar environment. They're scientists and it would be news to me if these women gave a fig about what you, or anybody else, are wearing. And no, obviously not all work places are the same. And yes, it's your own deal for choosing to work in a pink collar environment. Professionals are typically concerned about their careers, not the comings and goings of some Jane or Sally in the next office.
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