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You were LATE! Clearly, the employer expects his employees to show up on TIME. If he REQUIRES his employees to be 15 min. early....13 min is LATE! Showing up early can be a clear indicator that a person does NOT want to be there. I'd say, maybe not you, but in view of the fact that you made such a stink of it, it IS you!
If it's okay for one person to show up 13 min early, EVERYONE will start thinking it's okay....then it's 10 min, then it's 5 min., then just barely on time.....etc.
Well, the State of California happens to disagree with you as do about 85% of the responders. You're the one making the biggest stink on here; most of the other posters are just casually reading the post and opining "well you oughta be at work 10 to 15 minutes anyway".
Also, you said "Showing up early can be a clear indicator that a person does NOT want to be there". Did you mean to say late?
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Well, the State of California happens to disagree with you as do about 85% of the responders. You're the one making the biggest stink on here; most of the other posters are just casually reading the post and opining "well you oughta be at work 10 to 15 minutes anyway".
Also, you said "Showing up early can be a clear indicator that a person does NOT want to be there". Did you mean to say late?
LOL.... yes, actually...I did mean to say late. I don't mean to sound like a bitter, nasty person. I'm really not. There are some greedy, dishonest employers out there. That's a fact. There are also a whole lot of employees out there who are absolute crap, as far as work ethics go. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd have to say at least 50%.
The law is the law for non-exempt employees. The employer, in the eyes of the law, is clearly in the wrong. You cannot require someone arrive 15 minutes before the time they get paid. It's a bit absurd that they think they can get by with that; most large employers wouldn't even try.
IF it's a great job that you love ~ then I would say nothing and continue to arrive early.
IF it's a crappy job and you have one foot out the door already ~ then I would make an issue of it ~ and be prepared to find another job. (If you haven't already).
This is almost comical now. You cannot be early and at the same time be late as well. That is an oxymoron.
Yeah, LOL...when you put it that way, it does sound pretty insane, doesn't it? Well, on the plus side, at least the employer is paying them to be 15 min. early (on time?) now. As a nurse, in the facility where I worked last, you were required to be 30 min early. You didn't actually take over the med cart and patients at that time, but that's when you did report, drug count, etc. You did clock in and get paid for it. However, if you wanted to be "up" and ready for your shift, you did need to be there an additional 30 min ahead of time, off the clock, for extra prep & paperwork.
I remember a time when family members had to call BUSINESS lines, in order to talk to their family members who were at work...and those calls were restricted to EMERGENCIES only!
It's a 2-way street. When such practices were common, you worked at work, but when you weren't at work, you were more or less completely unavailable and not working. But the same technology you've blamed for lost productivity also gives increased productivity during times that once were literally not possible. An employer that has an attitude that you better never spend even a moment on Facebook while you're on "their time" had best not expect their employees to even so much as check email on their phone when they're not.
The line between what's "at work" and what's not has blurred in both directions.
Most of those business owners who work 60 hrs a week etc are the ones tha get ahead.
No, that just means the management clearly doesn't understand every facet of the business processes - accurately predicting the work load, creating a system of flow where each employee's work (time) is utilized properly, etc. Getting ahead of the competition means you operate better. If I get the job done in 30 hours what you take 60 hours to do, who's getting ahead in the business? Here's a real good example of my point. The big genome project was originally project to be completed in about 15 years or so. A guy comes along and made claim he can do it in 2 years. Well, we all the know the results. So who's getting ahead of the competition? See here http://video.pbs.org/video/1841308959
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... but that's when you did report, drug count, etc. You did clock in and get paid for it. However, if you wanted to be "up" and ready for your shift, you did need to be there an additional 30 min ahead of time, off the clock, for extra prep & paperwork.
That's sounds like work for me: report, drug count, paperwork, etc... In all my past jobs mostly in Cali in both public and private sector, 'on time' to them means when you clock in on or a few minutes before your designated start time, even if that means clocking in and getting ready to wear safety gear provided by the company on the premise.
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I had a job, where 8am, meant you were logged into your computer, with the programs booted, and you were ready to work. Now, just doing the computer start up and logging in could take 15 or 20 minutes. I was paid salary, so that is where it is at.
When I was a flight attendant, we were required to report an hour early, for briefings, meet the crew. And if you were sick, they still had time to call someone in to replace you.
A small business owner that puts in a 60 hr work is just starting out and those hrs will decrease over time.
I did business with a Jewish Grocery chain owner that spent some time working the cash register even with all his money. He and his two brothers together owned 9 stores. They did not get ahead working a 8 hr shift that many folks are satisfied with.
Most posts here are avg working people that have never owned or operated a business.
Small operations still exist today with some staying the same and others expanding.
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I don't mean to sound like a bitter, nasty person. I'm really not. There are some greedy, dishonest employers out there. That's a fact. There are also a whole lot of employees out there who are absolute crap, as far as work ethics go. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd have to say at least 50%. 
Well, on the plus side, at least the employer is paying them to be 15 min. early (on time?) now. As a nurse, in the facility where I worked last, you were required to be 30 min early. You didn't actually take over the med cart and patients at that time, but that's when you did report, drug count, etc. You did clock in and get paid for it. However, if you wanted to be "up" and ready for your shift, you did need to be there an additional 30 min ahead of time, off the clock, for extra prep & paperwork.
