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Well, just look at the area of employment. Chemists are employed by academia, engineers by private industry. Those that can't do teach. Your BA in chemistry graduate is probably working as a high school teacher. Of course they make less than a chemical engineer working for an oil company. They have an easier job, work nine months a year. I can only speak for UC Davis, but a B.A. chemistry there was a joke. They took calculus for dummies, physics for dummies, no advanced math, simple chem classes. Basically, it was like any other soft science major and not a hard science. The first thing you'd have to do if you decided to go for a masters was retake half your classes. Everyone knew that, and anyone with aspirations beyond teaching high school chemistry took the B.S. track. It'd be interesting to see the split and how many Chem Engineers have a real degree in comparison to chem majors.
That is a cheap blow off by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. The employment situation in science is appalling and everyone knows it and even the stats are showing it.
20% flat out unemployment and only 35% of all BS and MS grads are employed full time and half of them are in crapo tech jobs in academia. So we are talking about a field where 80%+ are un or underemployed.
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Originally Posted by nebulous1
Doesn't matter how good someone is, if there are no jobs. You are living in the 1960s.
It is this way with all fields right now, people can't find jobs. Do you live in an isolated retirement community??
I have never in my life made an excuse for not finding a job, and hold other people to the same standards. Excuses are just that, excuses, and have no place in my vocabulary.
There is a 3% job vacancy rate right now, and furthermore, the job market is not a set number. Create your own job. Make something of yourself. Stop hiding behind statistics.
Doesn't matter how good someone is, if there are no jobs. You are living in the 1960s.
It is this way with all fields right now, people can't find jobs. Do you live in an isolated retirement community??
Guy I know had a wife who was a pharmaceutical chemist of some sort in the midwest. Everyone in the R&D facility was laid off and the department was moved to either India or China (can't remember). Those were $80k a year jobs, all gone.
Like you said, there are very few jobs to go around. The last 20 years of America's "growth" has been fueled by easy money and bubbles (tech boom/bust and the housing boom/bust). Both created massive amounts of domestic jobs but once they went away the economy crumbled. Difference between the "old" recession and these ones is back then the jobs came back, they didn't get outsourced. These recessions you've seen a net loss of jobs due to outsourcing. The majority of the new jobs "created" are in places like Texas who lead the back in min-wage and below-min-wage jobs in areas such as retail.
Same as many other science and/or engineering jobs. Look for a lot of these jobs to start coming back as soon as the MBA geniuses realize that these countries can't produce anything close to the standards that we produce here.
The "business leaders" in charge only care about the bottom line and assume that outsourced technical work is the same service as insourced work but with a different price tag. Turns out they get what they pay for. The people in charge really have no idea how their products work, so they get stunned when everything is failing left and right 2 years down the road. Now the jobs are starting to come back. The chemistry field will likely experience a similar cycle, they are just slightly behind many other industries.
For you struggling chemists out there, I suggest you watch the AMC show, Breaking Bad. It could give you some good ideas on how to make it rich using your knowledge and talents. Just sayin'.
This is happening to so many professions. It is the hollowing out of the middle class. Engineers, accountants, you name it, it's under threat. If it's not offshoring, it's technology, or the drive to run on skeleton crews, or h1b visas. War has been declared on the working class by big business and government. Not looking good. Find another way to get by, cause it doesn't look like it's going to get much better. Eventually, people will be willing to work for much less out of desperation.
I have never in my life made an excuse for not finding a job, and hold other people to the same standards. Excuses are just that, excuses, and have no place in my vocabulary.
of course the medicinal chemists jobs are becoming obsolete
the only reason they were there in the first place was b.c there was BIG money to be made for coming up with cures to any disease we could make up..
but now a days, with the advent of universal health care in the not too distant future, there is no incentive to be entrepreneurial in medicine, since socialism does not reward innovation or greatness, but makes everyone equally poor and sick.
Get use to BELOW MEDIOCRITY brothers and sisters of HOPElessness
of course the medicinal chemists jobs are becoming obsolete
the only reason they were there in the first place was b.c there was BIG money to be made for coming up with cures to any disease we could make up..
but now a days, with the advent of universal health care in the not too distant future, there is no incentive to be entrepreneurial in medicine, since socialism does not reward innovation or greatness, but makes everyone equally poor and sick.
Get use to BELOW MEDIOCRITY brothers and sisters of HOPElessness
You read that wrong. They aren't obsolete, the jobs are being relocated. In fact drug companies have invested more and more into R&D lately because of expiring patents coming up. Your entire post is just wrong.
I don't agree 100% with what Obama is doing (and personally I think he is way in over his head as President) but to point to him and say he is causing this is just nuts. But hey have at it if it makes you feel better.
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