I really feel sorry for the younger generation who need work experience. (wages, business)

[soletaire]

Originally Posted by Ihatespoiledbrattypeople

and why does it matter to those type of jobs that applicants have a college degree?

It doesnt. And I doubt they require a degree of anykind, but the problem in this country is that companies want cheap labor without training them.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by soletaire

And you sound like college wasnt for you either, judging by what you're trying to pass off as "facts". You're here blindly spouting off about trades, yet seem to be unaware of the tremendous shortage of jobs for many of those who complete training in the trades. Talk to many recent nursing grads. I dont even disagree that tradeschool is a better option for many people. I DO however think it negligent for those in our society to preach this bootstraps and formal education garbage for the better part of 3 decades, and then once the chorus is raised by those for whom that philosophy has failed, to suddenly and in hindsight start bloviating about the virtues of tradeschool; after a whole generation is buried in debt.

From my perspective, you floated out some non-contextual conflation about 15k worth of debt by graduates from top 100 universities, which has no relevance to the fact that if those students cant even find jobs to pay back the 15k that you're trying to minimize as insignificant debt, then they too are losing the race. Top tier degrees and all.

Economies change and they always have. It's just tougher right now but the best in their fields always succeed no matter what education level.

You act like no one is finding a job which is quite the exaggeration. In the end a career isnt decided right after you graduate.

Seems like you are letting your personal experience overshadow the reality for the majority.

[soletaire]

Originally Posted by Gatornation

Economies change and they always have. It's just tougher right now but the best in their fields always succeed no matter what education level.

You act like no one is finding a job which is quite the exaggeration. In the end a career isnt decided right after you graduate.

Seems like you are letting your personal experience overshadow the reality for the majority.

Its just tougher right now, because we're in different times and in a ruinous economy swayed by corporate cronies, spineless entrepreneurs, and duplicitous academicians/university deans. An overly simplistic bromide such as "the best always rise to the top", while containing a strain of truth, is a reactive statement not a predictive one; as no one can consistently foretell who will be the best. Yet we can all, in retrospect, attest to the notion that those who have succeeded are the best. No one would have declared Michael Jordan the best basketball player in High School or College, yet we can all now say that "the best in their fields always succeed, therefore Michael Jordan succeeded."

So in that regard, your statement would have been more apt were it stated from the standpoint that opportunities are made, not taken, so therefore many of those who arent the best will make opportunities for themselves to succeed. Success being relative of course.


Lastly, I hope that by "personal experience" you mean anecdotal evidence. I said it earlier, and Ill say it again: Im gainfully employed in my field. But based on the vast majority of those I have close personal contact with, as well as the majority of posts in this thread, most people's outlook is in accord with what I have said.

[Gatornation]

The CD message board is not quite the place to draw conclusions from and apply to the overall public.

Personal examples are not very useful either in the larger scheme of things but ill ask anyway. You are employed in your field and doing well. So what did you do different than all your friends?

[Ihatespoiledbrattypeople]

i hate how applicants are expected to have experience done by a certain age

[NJBest]

Originally Posted by Ihatespoiledbrattypeople

i hate how applicants are expected to have experience done by a certain age

How does an interviewer know your age?

[Ihatespoiledbrattypeople]

Originally Posted by NJBest

How does an interviewer know your age?

i'm guessing they know because they looked at my resume, application, before the interview

[NJBest]

Originally Posted by Ihatespoiledbrattypeople

i'm guessing they know because they looked at my resume, application, before the interview

Resume's are not supposed to have your age.

[Ihatespoiledbrattypeople]

Originally Posted by NJBest

Resume's are not supposed to have your age.

well whatever, but the application does, so they should know

[NJBest]

I suppose a good question is... if you're 25 and have no experience.... what have you been doing?